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Carabus (Chaetocarabus) arcadicus arcadicus Gistel, 1850 - Carabidae

1.VII.1984 - GREECE - EE, Monte Olimpo, 900 m


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PostPosted: 26/01/2010, 23:37 
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L'ho sempre ritenuto un arcadicus, ma visto che di carabi non italiani non ci capisco niente e non ho testi per l'identificazione, forse è meglio se chiedo conferma.

Grecia, Monte Olimpo, 900 m, 1.VII.1984, M.Gigli legit

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 0:05 
 

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Yes, it's Chaetocarabus arcadicus arcadicus, Gistl, 1850 (female)........... congratulations!


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 0:20 
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Thank you very much. I found this species also on the Katara Pass.

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 0:32 
 

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Also, there occurs a cross with intricatus macedonicus.


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 0:45 
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well

it's indeed Carabus (Chaetocarabus) arcadicus arcadicus Gistel, 1850 (not "Gistl", according to fauna eur), if we consider merlini as subspecies of arcadicus

should conversely merlini be treated as a separate species, the former would become simply Carabus (Chaetocarabus) arcadicus Gistel, 1850, being in this case a monotypic species having no subspecies

carabologists, carabophiles, carabomaniacs :gh: what do you think about?

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 0:46 
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I found one pair of intricatus (probably ssp. macedonicus?) in the same locality (Katara Pass) and in the same day with C. arcadicus. I'll post a photo in a separate message within few minutes.

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 1:04 
 

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gomphus wrote:
well

it's indeed Carabus (Chaetocarabus) arcadicus arcadicus Gistel, 1850 (not "Gistl", according to fauna eur), if we consider merlini as subspecies of arcadicus

should conversely merlini be treated as a separate species, the former would become simply Carabus (Chaetocarabus) arcadicus Gistel, 1850, being in this case a monotypic species having no subspecies

carabologists, carabophiles, carabomaniacs :gh: what do you think about?


I think that is correct Gistl ....not Gistel!!!
fauna eur...There are many errors


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 1:09 
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Milo wrote:
I think that is correct Gistl ....not Gistel!!!

interesting, so fauna eur should be wrong... tomorrow (no, today :mrgreen: ) morning i'm going to perform a further research...

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 1:10 
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Julodis wrote:
I found one pair of intricatus (probably ssp. macedonicus?) in the same locality (Katara Pass) and in the same day with C. arcadicus. I'll post a photo in a separate message within few minutes.


le due specie convivono in quella magica località; nella vecchia collezione avevo un meraviglioso ibrido tra le due bestie (sempre del passo Kattara)... :sick:


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 1:14 
 

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Deuve 2004


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 1:16 
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gomphus wrote:
e due specie convivono in quella magica località; nella vecchia collezione avevo un meraviglioso ibrido tra le due bestie (sempre del passo Kattara)... :sick:


Io invece ho trovato solo esemplari dell'una o dell'altra specie, nello stesso giorno e nello stesso posto, ma del resto ero lì per cercare tutt'altro (i soliti Buprestidi), e ho dato giusto un'occhiata ad un paio di bottigliette con aceto che avevo lasciato lì qualche giorno prima, mentre aspettavo che il sole cominciasse a farsi sentire per veder girare qualcosa.

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gomphus wrote:
Milo wrote:
I think that is correct Gistl ....not Gistel!!!

interesting, so fauna eur should be wrong... tomorrow (no, today :mrgreen: ) morning i'm going to perform a further research...



...... :ok: :ok: :hi:


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Milo wrote:
gomphus wrote:
Milo wrote:
I think that is correct Gistl ....not Gistel!!!

interesting, so fauna eur should be wrong... tomorrow (no, today :mrgreen: ) morning i'm going to perform a further research...



...... :ok: :ok: :hi:



In effetti, avete ragione tutti e due ;)

Johannes von Nepomuk Franz Xaver Gistel (1809 - 1873 (o 1874)) era un naturalista tedesco che visse a Monaco, pubblicando alcuni lavori entomologici e descrivendo nuove specie anche fra i rettili, gli anfibi ed i molluschi.
Aveva a quanto pare il vezzo di firmarsi anche Gistl e non solo...
Usava anche lo pseudonimo di Telesius, come si evince da questo lavoro.
Come diceva qualcuno: "...se non son matti, non li vogliamo" :mrgreen:

Le sue collezioni sono oggi conservate presso lo Zoologische Staatssammlung München.

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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 11:44 
 

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Name Gistl is provided for all authors (Deuve, Brezina, Prunier, Lassale) This name is shared Breuning. I do not know why this should be changed to Gistel.
He is so much confusion in the scheme of the genus Carabus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gr. Stephan Breuning :Monografhie der Gattung Carabus L.


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PostPosted: 27/01/2010, 13:00 
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I must notice that when the complete name of the author is written there is not a full stop at the end (Born - Kolbe - Csiki) while there is a full stop when an abbreviation is used (Lap. = Laporte, Reitt. = Reitter, Thoms. = Thomson, Gist. = Gistel?, Gistl. = Gistel?)
But I don't understand the utility to shorten a name removing just one character!
I'll check some of my books, because Gistel described also several Buprestidae.

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