Greece-Mts.Ossa Oros
(May 2010, beech forest )
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| Autore: | karia [ 29/11/2010, 0:00 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Carabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 - Carabidae | ||
Greece-Mts.Ossa Oros (May 2010, beech forest )
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 29/11/2010, 0:48 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Chaetocarabus intricatus krueperi(Reitter,1896) |
 ... yet, in my opinion it's more correctCarabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 a little remark  ... "óros", as well as "voúni" or "voúno", means "mount", so it's unnecessary to repeat "mts. óssa óros" 
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| Autore: | karia [ 29/11/2010, 0:58 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Carabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 - Carabidae - Grecia, Óros Óssa |
Mts. Ossa Oros......English is well written .. |
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| Autore: | eurinomio [ 29/11/2010, 1:02 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Carabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 - Carabidae - Grecia, Óros Óssa |
lo lasciamo così o lo chiamiamo Carabus (Chaetocarabus) krueperi Reitter, 1896...come sostiene Casale (che ritiene buone specie anche arcadicus e merlini)??? 
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| Autore: | karia [ 29/11/2010, 1:12 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Carabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 - Carabidae - Grecia, Óros Óssa |
I think it is mainly the size of the specimens!! |
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| Autore: | karia [ 29/11/2010, 1:20 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Chaetocarabus intricatus krueperi(Reitter,1896) |
gomphus ha scritto: :ok: ... yet, in my opinion it's more correct Carabus (Chaetocarabus) intricatus krueperi Reitter, 1896 a little remark ... "óros", as well as "voúni" or "voúno", means "mount", so it's unnecessary to repeat "mts. óssa óros" best name is probably this: Όσσα Όρος |
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| Autore: | eurinomio [ 29/11/2010, 1:44 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Chaetocarabus intricatus krueperi(Reitter,1896) |
karia ha scritto: ...best name is probably this: Όσσα Όρος che tradotto in italiano significa: Monte Ossa. |
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| Autore: | karia [ 29/11/2010, 3:57 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Chaetocarabus intricatus krueperi(Reitter,1896) |
eurinomio ha scritto: karia ha scritto: ...best name is probably this: Όσσα Όρος che tradotto in italiano significa: Monte Ossa. interesting discussion of the geographical name mountains ..... |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 29/11/2010, 14:52 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Carabus (Chaetocarabus) (? intricatus) krueperi Reitter, 1896 - Carabidae - Grecia, Óros Óssa |
well, i just wished to say that, since "óros" means "mount", it's preferable to write either "mount óssa" or "óros óssa", but not both the question posed by vinicio eurinomio  is more puzzling... krueperi or intricatus krueperi? prior to casale et al., some authors considered lefebvrei as distinct species from intricatus, with greek taxa (arcadicus, merlini and krueperi) as subspecies of lefebvrei casale et al. treated all of them as distinct species... yet krueperi, contrary to arcadicus and merlini, appears more closely related to intricatus than to lefebvrei, and not so broadly isolated from the range of intricatus macedonicus, the latter reaching the katara pass, in contact with arcadicus so that krueperi may well be (but also not be) a subspecies of intricatus, irrespective of being arcadicus and merlini species, subspecies of intricatus (i don't think so, at my (scarce  ) knowledge, where macedonicus and arcadicus are in contact with each other, only occasional natural hybrids are to be found, not any kind of intermediate populations), or even subspecies of lefebvrei...    ...
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