It's Calosoma madeare?
Location: Italy,Piacenza,12.5 2007
body length:30 mm-female
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| Autore: | Milo [ 02/01/2010, 15:10 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784 - Carabidae | ||
It's Calosoma madeare? Location: Italy,Piacenza,12.5 2007 body length:30 mm-female
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| Autore: | Fumea crassiorella [ 02/01/2010, 15:14 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: CALOSOMA ssp? |
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| Autore: | Fumea crassiorella [ 02/01/2010, 15:29 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: CALOSOMA ssp? |
Aspettando la conferma dei big a me pare Calosoma (Campalita) maderae (Fabricius 1775) 
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| Autore: | Milo [ 02/01/2010, 15:50 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: CALOSOMA ssp? |
Please, in English, thank you Milo |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 02/01/2010, 17:12 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae (Fabricius 1775) ? - Carabidae |
hi milo ... more exactly it's Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784, in my opinion not a good speciesyou can find here a discussion about C. maderae-complex, should you have problems in understanding Italian, please feel free to ask for 
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 02/01/2010, 17:33 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae (Fabricius 1775) ? - Carabidae |
gomphus ha scritto: should you have problems in understanding Italian, please feel free to ask for otherwise you could use google translate selecting either the input and the output language and indicating the web source to be translated. It's a really powerful facility..... |
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| Autore: | Milo [ 02/01/2010, 17:49 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784 - Carabidae |
Thank you very much,Maurizio....... so it's not ssp.maderae(Fabricius,1775),but ssp.auropunctatum? |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 02/01/2010, 18:16 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784 - Carabidae |
yes milo, as you can see, the boundary between maderae s.str. and maderae auropunctatum in Italian peninsula is not clear-cut, and intermediate populations are known in northern italy, animals from piedmont, lombardy and western emilia (e.g. piacenza), except for very occasional maderae here and there (most likely wanderers from liguria coastal area), are well characterized as auropunctatum, with elytra dull, coarsely scale-like sculptured, distinctly striate all over their length conversely, animals from some populations in adriatic coastal area of emilia-romagna (e.g. ravenna) are often almost impossible to place with certainty; together with a small number of auropunctatum-type and maderae-type (elytra shining, with scales flattened, striae finer and backwards more or less obsolete), much more animals are found, where one or another status of each of the said features can occur at random, with no recognizable relation to each other |
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| Autore: | Milo [ 02/01/2010, 19:27 ] | |||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | auropunctatum Czech and Italy | |||
elytra: 1. Italy-female 2. Czech-female
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 03/01/2010, 16:12 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784 - Carabidae |
hi milo ok, i agree that central european and southeastern individual of auropunctatum are rather different, and i add that some northern animals i have seen are even more so, with even coarser elytral sculpturing and often ground color dark olive-greenish, instead of black yet, since nobody seems to have treated southern animals as a separate (sub)species, i have to suppose that a gradual clinal variation occurs from czechia and slovakia, across hungary, former yugoslavia, to greece... and across slovenia and croatia, to italy; without a clear borderline between two different forms of course this may well be wrong, yet to decide about, much more material from a number of european localities would be required, material i currently cannot have at hand |
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| Autore: | Milo [ 04/01/2010, 13:33 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) maderae auropunctatum Herbst, 1784 - Carabidae |
Thank you very much for your answer,Maurizio
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