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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 13/03/2018, 22:20 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Calosoma (Campalita) maderae dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 - Carabidae | ||
Turkey, Karaman
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 13/03/2018, 22:28 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma2 ?? |
Maybe Calosoma (Campalita) auropunctatum |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 13/03/2018, 22:50 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma2 ?? |
hi ozgur Calosoma (Campalita) ***** dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 according to fauna europaea, dsungaricum is a ssp. of auropunctatum  ; conversely, according to the recent "calosoma of the world" by sandro bruschi, auropunctatum is a simple synonym (not even a ssp.) of maderae, thus dsungaricum is a ssp. of the latter  now, choose as you prefer, i feel unable to do so  p.s. i would rather see auropunctatum as valid ssp. of maderae (in any case not a species); however, should auropunctatum indeed be a synonym of maderae, i  would see little reasons to retain dsungaricum as ssp.p.p.s. your name is "ozgur" or "özgür"  ?
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 13/03/2018, 23:11 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma2 ?? |
Thanks Maurizio. My name is Özgür. Because of English alphabet I write Ozgur.  Than according to last articles it must be Calosome maderae ssp. auropunctatum? |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 13/03/2018, 23:32 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma2 ?? |
ozgur70 ha scritto: ... Than according to last articles it must be Calosome maderae ssp. auropunctatum? no  in my opinion rather C. maderae dsungaricum (with both auropunctatum and dsungaricum as sspp. of maderae), or possibly C. maderae, with no subspecies... but for the latter, please wait until tomorrow, i have in museum my copy of the bruschi's work, and i don't remember what is said about the oriental forms (tectum and indicum) of the maderae complex
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 14/03/2018, 18:35 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Calosoma (Campalita) ... dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 - Carabidae |
ok after consulting bruschi's work, although not fully persuaded , i choose to temporarily name it Calosoma (Campalita) maderae dsungaricum Gebler, 1833
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