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Autore:  cosmln [ 13/09/2010, 0:55 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae
:hi:

hope you don't mind that I will post all this photo in one post, just to show some variation (males & females).
I don't think to be any problems with identification >>> Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) all collected in 24.may.2010 in Peloponnese (37.854341/22.459604).

will be good to know if the last female is still from this species (being somehow shorter/fatter). now just observed that the tip of elitrae is more or less tridentate.

any comments and critics are welcome,
cosmln
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Autore:  Isotomus [ 13/09/2010, 8:15 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
Yes Cosmin, all are Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763), 3 males and 4 females. May I have a more precise locality an collecting date ?
The last Catalogue did accept a Caucasian subspecies: ssp. melanota (Faldermann, 1837) previously known ìunder the name distincta (Tournier, 1872).
Autore:  Trichoferus [ 13/09/2010, 8:27 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
..and isn´t it Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) ssp. moreana (Pic, 1906) ?
I have found these Anastrangalia in Menalo Mts. on Peloponnese and I was told that it is this ssp.. :?
Autore:  Isotomus [ 13/09/2010, 9:30 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
Trichoferus ha scritto:
..and isn´t it Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) ssp. moreana (Pic, 1906) ?
I have found these Anastrangalia in Menalo Mts. on Peloponnese and I was told that it is this ssp.. :?


Sorry Jan, but I do not recognize (and the Catalogue does'nt) moreana as a good subspecies. In fact, I do not recognize even melanota (or distincta), but that area (Caucasus) was under Danilevsky's respnsibility and he has a different opinion about the difference between subspecies and variability; see the dozens of subspecies described for several species of Dorcadionini and Cortodera, or Mallosia puncticollis stygia (the black form, widespread everywhere together with the "forma typica) and regarded as a subspecies in Iran (where I collected tne two "subspecies" together) and in Turkmenistan.
Autore:  Trichoferus [ 13/09/2010, 10:28 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
I see... Thanks Gianfranco..
Autore:  Isotomus [ 13/09/2010, 11:09 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
Evidently, Musaria, not Mallosia puncticollis stygia :P
Autore:  cosmln [ 13/09/2010, 13:41 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae - Greece
Isotomus ha scritto:
Yes Cosmin, all are Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763), 3 males and 4 females. May I have a more precise locality an collecting date ?
The last Catalogue did accept a Caucasian subspecies: ssp. melanota (Faldermann, 1837) previously known ìunder the name distincta (Tournier, 1872).


Thanks for confirming this.
About the locality/toponyms... sorry just my habit to prefer geographical coordinates, this cam be seen the between brackets. To answer to your question, collecting place is situated just in south of Lake Stimfalia.

Cosmin
Autore:  rypos [ 03/10/2011, 21:27 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae
We have already reared dozens of specimens of Anastrangalia dubia (Turkey, Abant Bolu 2011, ex Abies)
Their paramrers (lateral lobes) apparently difers from central european, later are stauter and shorter.
Autore:  f.izzillo [ 03/10/2011, 21:43 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae
Primo danno del matrimonio :lov2: scrivevi così bene in italiano :bln:
Autore:  Julodis [ 04/10/2011, 7:44 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Anastrangalia dubia dubia (Scopoli, 1763) - Cerambycidae
f.izzillo ha scritto:
Primo danno del matrimonio :lov2: scrivevi così bene in italiano :bln:

Francesco, ma hai letto la data dei messaggi di Cosmin? Risalgono a più di un anno fa! :no1:
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