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E.Rhodopes Mts-Kardjali,23.06.2007

Chlorophorus hungaricus Seidlitz, 1791
I have a similar specimen from Romania, and from what I know this species was not yet been published from Romania... but in Bense, 1995 is a point on Romania, anybody know more about this record?

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Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci
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Yes ,most probably,though several species look similar and I had no other specimens to compare with.

similar in our area will be:
C.trifasciatus & C.nigripes (not seen yet this species) ... but from books antennae are shorter and reddish on both species (legs also).

also an image from lateral will help to be more sure.

but Gianfranco will come on this and put more light.

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Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci
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Yes, Chlorophorus ungaricus Seidlitz, 1891 based on the long hairs on pronotum and elytral base.
Already known from both Bulgaria and Romania.
Europe: ALbania AUstria BosniaHerzegovina BUlgaria CRoatia CZech Rep. GReece HUngaria MaCedonia MolDavia ROmania SlovaKia YUgoslavia A: TuRkey

Chlorophorus aegyptiacus (Fabricius, 1775) is known to occur in E: BU GR MC A: TR

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Gianfranco Sama

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Gershom Sholem

Can you please tell me the reference for Romania for this species?
Grazie

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Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci
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Cosmin,
I do not have any record from Romania, but it was recorded from your country by Althoff & Danilevsky, 1997, repeated by Bense, 1995.
I think this record is due to a misundersting, but the species very likely really belongs to your fauna. Have a look at this unpublished "List of Romanian Cerambycidae" send by Mrs. Magda Dascalu.

**Chlorophorus hungaricus Seidlitz, 1891
Selon RODICA SERAFIM (1985) - “Contribution a la connaisance des coleopteres cerambycidae du sud de la Roumanie” - l’espece a ete trouvee a Comana (au sud de Bucharest) par MONTANDON (1907). J’ai l’article de MONTANDON, ou il donne pour Comana Ch. trifasciatus F. et Ch. aegyptiacus F.
Je crois que SERAFIM a utilise le volume de PANIN & SAVULESCU (1961) ou pour Ch. hungaricus les auteurs ont mis la synonymie avec Ch. aegyptiacus Castelnau et Gory et Ch. nigripes Kuster. BENSE (1995) a utilise aussi l’article de SERAFIM et sur la carte de distribution de Ch. hungaricus il y a un seul point de distribution en Roumanie - Comana.
Donc, je crois que Ch. hungaricus n’a pas été officiellement signalée en Roumanie. Mais cette espece existe en Roumanie parce que j’ai vu recemment un specimen au musee “Gr. Antipa” (leg. Ed. Fleck).

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Gianfranco Sama

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A: Tr per cosa sta, Gianfranco?

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Penso che sia Asia: Turchia

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Gianfranco Sama

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Gershom Sholem

Hi,

After CPC 2010 valid name is Chlorophorus hungaricus Seidlitz, 1981. Have there been any changes in name this species?



It is interesting that Ch.(h)ungaricus and Ch.aegyptiacus are not recorded from european part of Turkey (Ozdikmen, 2010)



regards,
Jacek

Sorry Jacek, I do not understand your question.The CPC 2020 reported Seidlitz 1891, not 1981 or 1791 (which are mistakes)

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Gianfranco Sama

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Gershom Sholem

I ask for name hungaricus or ungaricus?



PS. My mistake in year "1981" - of course is 1891! I'm sorry!

Ah, OK. no, no, any change; ungaricus is a lapsus, sorry.

About Turkey, in fact nobody recorded it from the European Turkey even though it certainly occurs there

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Gianfranco Sama

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Gershom Sholem

Thank You - Chlorophorus hungaricus Seidlitz, 1891.

Yes, I think so that Ch.hungaricus and aegyptiacus must occur in Turchia europaea

Best Regards,
Jacek