Ancora un'altra specie per voi.
Grazie, Guido
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| Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 10/07/2014, 17:36 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Protaetia (Netocia) sp. - Cetoniidae | ||
Ancora un'altra specie per voi. Grazie, Guido
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| Autore: | Honza [ 10/07/2014, 19:04 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
 Protaetia (Netocia) excavata (Gory & Percheron, 1833)
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| Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 10/07/2014, 19:18 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Thanks Jan, however it seems different from the Netocia excavata I have from URSS where the elytra are really excavated.. |
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| Autore: | Entomofou [ 16/07/2014, 15:36 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Could you confirm the body size ? |
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| Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 12/09/2014, 8:18 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae | ||
These are other specimens of the same population. Their body size is 20-22mm. I insist that they have elytral sculpture quite different from the P.excavata I have from Turkmenistan where the elytra are deeply excavated.
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 12/09/2014, 9:10 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
 It reminds me of P. agglomerata... which is however not recorded in Iran. What about P. karbalajey |
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| Autore: | Honza [ 12/09/2014, 11:07 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae | ||
key to Protaetia (Netocia) agglomerata (Solsky, 1876) Cetonia confluens Kraatz, 1884 Potosia alexandra Reitter, 1898 Potosia belemia Reitter, 1898 Cetonia nigroaenea Kraatz, 1883 Cetonia conglomerata KRAATZ, 1886 Cetonia immarginata Kraatz, 1884
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| Autore: | Honza [ 12/09/2014, 11:18 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae | ||
Protaetia (Netocia) karbalayei Alexis & Delpont, 2002
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| Autore: | gelkush [ 12/09/2014, 13:35 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae | ||
P. (Netocia) excavata . Details of structures by Medvedev S.I.
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| Autore: | Honza [ 12/09/2014, 13:41 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae | ||
original description P. (Netocia) excavata
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| Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 12/09/2014, 13:56 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Honza ha scritto: original description P. (Netocia) excavata I did not note that the locus typicus of this P.excavata is Moree (Greece?!). Something is wrong on the interpretation of this taxon....
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| Autore: | Honza [ 12/09/2014, 15:21 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Description originale : Gory M.H. & Percheron M.A. 1833: Monographie des Cétoines et genres voisins, formant dans les familles naturelles de Latreille, le division des Scarabées Mélitophiles. J.B. Baillières éditor. Paris :1-140 |
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| Autore: | Honza [ 12/09/2014, 16:53 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Guido Sabatinelli ha scritto: Honza ha scritto: original description P. (Netocia) excavata I did not note that the locus typicus of this P.excavata is Moree (Greece?!). Something is wrong on the interpretation of this taxon....nomen dubium excavata Gory & Percheron,1833 - GR (Peloponnisos) Catalogue of Palaearctic Coleoptera - Volume 3, 2006 |
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 12/09/2014, 17:35 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Honza ha scritto: nomen dubium excavata Gory & Percheron,1833 - GR (Peloponnisos) Catalogue of Palaearctic Coleoptera - Volume 3, 2006 Yes, this the correct use of the name excavata. Actually, the taxon from Central-Asia we are talking about is excavata Faldermann 1835, which is now called araratica Reitter 1891 Alas, after checking my collection I realized that I wrongly cited P. agglomerata instead of P. karelini. What I was meaning is that this taxon reminds me of karelini, for the colour, the strong sculpture and the quite spread distribution of white spots, which are however very tiny. In P. karelini spots are much more and more extended, and present also on pronotum. Intriguing... |
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| Autore: | gelkush [ 12/09/2014, 17:42 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Scarabaeoidae, Cetoniinae |
Dear Guido. There's nothing definite can be said, until we see the genitals of at least one of these beetles. Personally, I look at these wonderful bugs and think, who are they? P.(Netocia) excavata araratica? P.(Netocia) schelkovnikovi and Protaetia (Netocia) karbalayei 
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