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Cydistus zurcheri Bourgeois, 1908a (cf.)

16.VII.2017 - TURKEY - EE, Mersin/Anamur


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ozgur70
PostPosted: 14/11/2017, 23:44 
 

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It came UV light.


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gabrif
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 14/11/2017, 23:51 
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Old Drilidae, but which one :roll: :roll: ?
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Fumea crassiorella
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 14/11/2017, 23:53 
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Nome: Roberto Rattu
Nice! Phengodidae, Cydistus sp.

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ozgur70
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 15/11/2017, 0:52 
 

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Fumea crassiorella wrote:
Nice! Phengodidae, Cydistus sp.

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Carlo Monari
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 15/12/2017, 9:47 
 

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Cercando di archiviare questa discussione mi sono impelagato.
In FaunaEur la famiglia Phengodidae non esiste; in rete ho trovato diversi riferimenti ma è ripetuto da più parti che i rappresentanti di questa famiglia vengono trovati solo nel nuovo mondo, a cui non mi sembra appartenga la Turchia.
Su ITIS il genere Cydistus viene attribuito (seguendo Lobl & Smetana 2007) alla famiglia Rhagophthalmidae Olivier, 1907. L'unica cosa che mi sembra appurata è che si tratta di un Elateroidea.
A questo punto è meglio che della questione si occupi qualcuno più competente.

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Fumea crassiorella
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 15/12/2017, 10:25 
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Solo per citare parte della bibliografia, Cydistus è stato collocato in Drilidae (Olivier 1910, Wittmer 1944), Rhagophthalminae/ Phengodidae (Crowson 1972, Lawrence & Newton 1995), Karumiidae (Pic 1927, Paulus 1972) e, significativamente, in Elateriformia, quindi in posizione di incertae sedis (Lawrence e al.1999). Visto che la questione è controversa possiamo lasciare quest'ultima sistemazione.

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zdeno
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PostPosted: 15/12/2017, 10:46 
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Cydistus for me also. There is only 1 species recorded in Turkey - zurcheri Bourgeois, 1908a , a few more around - Iran, Syria, so it might be whatever species.

No idea if any keys exist for these, but what I would to suggest is, to contact either Robin Kundrata or L. Bocak ( emails can be found online ).

In Palcat they are treated as a family PHENGODIDAE LeConte, 1861, subfamily Rhagophthalminae Ε. Olivier, 1907 , but I have read somewhere that they are a sister families and Rhagophthalmindae are elevated to family level, so no idea which one is valid....

Very interesting animal, that`s for sure ! :-)

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strepens
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 15/12/2017, 12:05 
 

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- some more details on the genus Cydistus are here:
http://delta-intkey.com/elateria/www/unkncm.htm

- Robin Kundrata is already a member in our Forum.

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Robin
 Post subject: Re: Need ID
PostPosted: 18/12/2017, 19:50 
 

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Hi all,
there is still no consensus in Cydistus placement, however, it is more probably a member of Dascilloidea than a member of Elateroidea. The fresh material for DNA studies to clarify its position is of course more than welcome,
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