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| Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 14:11 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Philonthus dimidiatipennis Erichson, 1840 https://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie ... ref=265442 |
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| Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 15:10 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philonthus/Gabrius? |
Hey Jan, thank you a lot!! your help is a guarantee for this forum. It looks just like him . The environment should also be the right place, as it is a halophilic species.I do not think it is very common because I have never again found specimens of this species in my research in the lagoon. I'm not even sure it's already recorded for the Venetian lagoon. Thanks Lorenzo |
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| Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 15:30 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Mi sono accorto solo ora di aver ripetutamente raddoppiato il "lo" di Philo"LO"nthus, PhiloLOnthini ecc. Chiedo scusa a tutti i cultori della materia per la mia dislessia Non so se si possa correggere il testo postato, ma se qualche Amministratore pietosamente cancella l'onta sarò grato Lorenzo |
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| Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 15:32 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Congratulations! Philonthus dimidiatipennis Erichson, 1840: E: AR CT FR GB GE GR IT NL RO SP ST UK N: AG MO A: AF IN IQ KZ MG TR UZ WS ORR in my collection only a few pieces, I collected in Greece, Morocco |
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| Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 16:55 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible...
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| Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 17:05 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
AetherisIgnis ha scritto: Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible... ![]() I do not know this species from Italy biskrensis Fagel, 1957 E: FR ST N: AG MO A: IN KZ MG TM UZ |
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| Autore: | Agdistis [ 17/01/2021, 17:27 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philonthus/Gabrius? |
Lorenzo Zanella ha scritto: Hey Jan, thank you a lot!! your help is a guarantee for this forum. It looks just like him . The environment should also be the right place, as it is a halophilic species.I do not think it is very common because I have never again found specimens of this species in my research in the lagoon. I'm not even sure it's already recorded for the Venetian lagoon. Thanks Lorenzo Spero di non aver visto male ma mi sembra identico, così solo per aggiungere un'altra località: Monfalcone Palude del Lisert 25 III 2012 (viewtopic.php?f=412&t=32464&hilit=lisert) Ciao Lucio |
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| Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 17:40 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Honza ha scritto: AetherisIgnis ha scritto: Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible... ![]() I do not know this species from Italy biskrensis Fagel, 1957 E: FR ST N: AG MO A: IN KZ MG TM UZ Nevertheless, they seem to be sympatric in a large part of their ranges, so...
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| Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 17:57 ] | |||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? | |||
Coiffait, 1974
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| Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 18:18 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
As far as I understand, Ph. biskrensis differs from Ph. dimidiatipennis only in the smaller body size and smaller aedeagus, whereas the number of the peg-like setae may vary greatly in both species: https://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/pdf/gusarov.pdf
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| Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 18:54 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? | ||
Coiffait, 1974
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| Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 20:33 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Lucio's specimen seems identical to mine. Unfortunately, my specimens are not male and I cannot verify the edeago. However, under the microscope the penultimate antennial article is as long as wide. The size is at least 6 mm, the second specimen even larger, but I think I have "pulled" the abdomen to look for the genitals. However, I would exclude that they can have a size within 5 mm. Thank you all for this discussion and the literature souces provided. Lorenzo |
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