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Appena lo levo dallo stenditoio metto una foto dell'esemplare preparato: ne ho viste sette in due notti alla lampada, il 28 e 29 agosto 2011

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A me sembra uno Psychidae!!

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Oppure un Notodontidae Thaumetopoeinae ???

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Michele

Sono d'accordo con Leonardo: Paolo, prova un confronto con Oiketicoides lutea (Staudinger, 1870).

Ciao!

Io avevo in mente Pachythelia villosella (Ochsenheimer 1810) (Psychidae: Oiketicinae: Acanthopsychini), ma con poca convinzione...

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...confronto che puoi fare su questo sito, che mi sembra attendibile

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Marcello Romano

Ottimo il suggerimento di Marcello, anche io mi appoggio spesso a "quel" sito! Anche secondo me è affidabile!!

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In effeti, anche l'ipotesi di Paolo è convincente.
Fra l'altro Pachythelia villosella è segnalata del Lazio, mentre Oiketicoides lutea no, anche se è riportata per Abruzzo e Molise (Parenzan & Porcelli, 2006)

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Marcello, Paolo ha preso la bestiola in Grecia!!

Non avevo notato

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Pachythelia and Oiketicoides can be simple distinguished, by quantity of veins connected to central cell of both wings: Pachythelia has 9 on forewings and 5 on hind wing, while Oiketicoides has 10 / 6.

Thanks , the only problem is how to count them: do you think that a picture of both wings of this specimen could be enough to distinguish between the two genera? Anyway I'll add it to the present topic as soon as I'll have it.

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Yes Paolo, wings venation is enough to distinguish these two genera.
Moreover, this feature is important and useful to many many others.

Counting is not a problem take a look on my sketch Veins 1-7 leave the cell, while two veins X - not. So this wing has 7 veins from cell.
Put the light from the bottom of wing and observe from above. Veins are clearly visible with these species, a more problematic is to observe dark coloured wings like Psyche sp., Proutia sp., Bacotia sp., but even then can it be done - scales can be removed by brush or something like that. Sometimes must be considered: better to have a determinated species with poor apperance or undeterminated and look well

From your photo I'm not sure about vein "?" it is note clearly visible from this photo. This is important because 9 veins has Pachythelia, while 10 has Oiketicoides Make better photo of forewing and hindwing to be sure.

io vedo 9

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Once again - I'm not sure from this photo, but in my oppinion vein called "?" is from cell, too - so wing has 10 veins.