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Who can help identifying this wasp?
With regards,
Harm Alberts

Dimensions ?

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Marcello Romano

Saluti
Praia taczanowskii Wankowicz 1880 (or André 1879 ?)
This magnificent Symphyta is extremely rare, I believe, in France.
BRAVO !
Saluti.
D & JP balmer

Thanks very much Mr./Mrs. D&JP Balmer for the determination!
On Fauna Europaea I found out that this species is only known from Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Belarus, Norway, Finland and North-west russia.
This species is not present in France according to Fauna Europaea;
Is this the first one seen in France(in the South of France even)? Or could it be another species of this genus found in southern-european or even North-African areas?
With regards,
Harm Alberts

Saluti.

Thanks for your message.

According to Berland (1947) this species :

- Would be in the collection of J. de Gaulle (of the family of the Général ... ), it would have been captured to Clamart (Dept. Hauts-de-Seine - France).
- Would have been captured by Pic in Dept. of Saône-et-Loire (France).

According to Noblecourt (2004) this species is present in France.
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The insect which you photographed cannot be confused with other Cimbicidae, and it confirms the truthfulness of the former captures in France.
This find is fundamental for the European faunistic, and confirms, without being able to look of explanation, that we can find a Symphyta to thousands of km of distance without finding it somewhere else (and this observation was already made for other species !)

Saluti.
D & JP Balmer

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Hello Jean-Pierre and Marcello,
Thanks for all the efforts you made!
with regards,
Harm Alberts

WOW really magnificent

now i expect also findings in italy ...

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maurizio

On the forum TREKNATURE, you forgot to specify that it is me who identified your Symphyta.
The ethic obliged you to write it.
Would you please rectify this forgetting ...

Regards.
D & JP Balmer

Giusto Jeanne Pierre.
Ora mi sembra che lo abbia fatto!

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Saluti,
When I went on TREKNATURE the thanking was not written !
Finally it is now made ...
Ciao.
D & JP balmer

ciao ragazzi

cercando di determinare un bellissimo cimbicide di romania , che mi ha regalato a entomodena l'amico cosmin , mi sono imbattuto in questa vecchia discussione


in realtà non è del tutto vero secondo faune de france



anche ciò a sua volta non è del tutto esatto; al posto di "aspetto di Clavellaria (= Pseudoclavellaria)" leggere "aspetto della femmina di Clavellaria" (il maschio di Pseudoclavellaria amerinae è molto differente, con addome tutto nero, solo l'estremità rossiccia)

e anche se un carattere importante, ossia il labrum, non è visibile, a me questa sembra più una femmina di Pseudoclavellaria dato che

1) gli articoli antennali precedenti la clava sono 5 in Praia, 4 in Pseudoclavellaria... e qui mi sembra di vederne 4

2) secondo la descrizione, i femori post. in Praia dovrebbero essere rossicci, e qui sono neri

infine, questa somiglia moltissimo al mio ex., che è senza alcun dubbio una femmina di Pseudoclavellaria

aspetto commenti



bonjour à tout le monde

en essayant de déterminer un ex. de roumanie que m’a été aimablement donné par notre ami cosmin , j’ai retrouvé cette discussion

en effet, ça c’est pas complètement vrai selon faune de france


bien que ça, à son tour, soit pas tout à fait exacte; au lieu de “aspect de Clavellaria (= Pseudoclavellaria)” lire “aspect de la femelle de Clavellaria” (le mâle de Pseudoclavellaria amerinae est trés diffèrent, l’abdomen tout noir, seule l’extrémité rougeâtre)

et bien qu’un caractère important, la forme du labrum, soit pas visible, à moi ça paraît plutôt une femelle de Pseudoclavellaria car:

1) les articles des antennes avant la massue sont 5 chez Praia, 4 chez Pseudoclavellaria... et je crois ici d’en voir 4

2) d’après la description, les fémurs postérieurs chez Praia seraient rougeâtres, pas noirs

3) enfin, ça ressemble excessivement à mon ex., qui est sans doute une Pseudoclavellaria

j'attends vos commentaires

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maurizio

Saluti,
In 2012, I had referred to the habitus.
It seems to me that Website ECatSym represented the 2 sp. : taczanowskii & amerinae, but this Site was upset and apparently it is some more lacking photos.
Bravo for your criticism !
Ciao.
D and JP balmer