19 May 2010
Turkey- Karaman - Karadag
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 06/12/2013, 11:08 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Apion sp. - Apionidae | ||
19 May 2010 Turkey- Karaman - Karadag
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| Autore: | Klaas Reißmann [ 08/12/2013, 9:04 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Curculionidae-Turkey |
Family Apionidae, genus Apion. Apion frumentarium is the only species of the Centraleuropean Fauna I know with such a bright reddish colour. But I don't know anything about the turkish Fauna, so Apion spec. Ciao Klaas |
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 09/12/2013, 13:34 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Curculionidae-Turkey |
Klaas Reißmann ha scritto: Family Apionidae, genus Apion. Apion frumentarium is the only species of the Centraleuropean Fauna I know with such a bright reddish colour. But I don't know anything about the turkish Fauna, so Apion spec. Ciao Klaas I also dont know anything about Apionidae family. But when I look to the checklist I saw Apion flavofemoratum near the sample location. |
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| Autore: | giuseppe55 [ 09/12/2013, 20:09 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Curculionidae-Turkey |
ozgur70 ha scritto: I also dont know anything about Apionidae family. But when I look to the checklist I saw Apion flavofemoratum near the sample location. Non si tratta di Oryxolaemus flavifemoratum. Non conosco la fauna Turca e la checklist che hai visto. E' un Apion sp. come correttamente indicato da Klaas. Ciao Giuseppe |
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 10/12/2013, 8:31 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Curculionidae-Turkey |
giuseppe55 ha scritto: ozgur70 ha scritto: I also dont know anything about Apionidae family. But when I look to the checklist I saw Apion flavofemoratum near the sample location. Non si tratta di Oryxolaemus flavifemoratum. Non conosco la fauna Turca e la checklist che hai visto. E' un Apion sp. come correttamente indicato da Klaas. Ciao Giuseppe I know this one which include my region also... http://entomoloji.ege.edu.tr/files/e-li ... 2003-2.pdf |
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| Autore: | Klaas Reißmann [ 10/12/2013, 18:04 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Apion sp. - Apionidae |
I don't get everything, but maybe you're sticking in an absolutely different Problem. The genus Apion was drawn outline of the Family Curculionidae. All the members of genus Apion were put into Family Apionidae almost 20 years ago. All the subgenuses were rised into genus, so many Apion are not called Apion any more. The genus Apion today is a small genus of five species in Centraleurope (I don't know how many in southern Europe or even Turkey), all coloured more or less intens reddish like yours. So you have to look for the Turkey Fauna for the red species' of genus Apion (no Oxylaemus, Protapion or what ever) and match them with yours. Best regards Klaas |
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| Autore: | giuseppe55 [ 10/12/2013, 20:31 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Apion sp. - Apionidae |
ozgur70 ha scritto: I know this one which include my region also... http://entomoloji.ege.edu.tr/files/e-li ... 2003-2.pdf Nella lista ci sono almeno due specie del genere Apion: Apion cruentatum; Apion frumentarium. Tra le due specie, l'esemplare è confrontabile con Apion frumentarium. Ciao Giuseppe |
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| Autore: | Klaas Reißmann [ 10/12/2013, 21:16 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Apion sp. - Apionidae |
Reddish colour by far to intense. If the choice really is between Apion frumentarium and A. cruentatum it surely can only be Apion frumentarium. Ciao Klaas |
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| Autore: | krep [ 25/12/2013, 22:07 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Apion sp. - Apionidae |
Very probably Apion frumentarium (Linnaeus), but similar is also Apion graecum (I don´t knoow, when is this sp. in Karaman distr.) |
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