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Autore: | Pippistrello [ 11/08/2010, 15:11 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Temnochila caerulea (Olivier, 1790) - Trogossitidae |
Nascosti tra le grinze della corteccia di due diversi giovani olmi morenti/morti di recente. Diametro tronco 25-30 cm Trovati a mezzanotte cercando con torcia nei pressi di Casal Novo in Toscana 60 m. Sono lucanidae? |
Autore: | cosmln [ 11/08/2010, 15:19 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
not Lucanidae. Trogossitidae, I think Temnochila caerulea (Olivier, 1790), another here. in Greece found this under Pinus bark. cosmln |
Autore: | OndraK [ 11/08/2010, 15:21 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
It´s Temnoscheila sp. (Trogossitidae). In Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera is only Temnoscheila tristis from Italy. But I don´t what is different between T. caerulea and T. tristis. |
Autore: | Pippistrello [ 11/08/2010, 15:32 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
cosmln ha scritto: not Lucanidae. cosmln Thank You Cosmin ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 11/08/2010, 15:41 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? - No-Temnochila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? |
Löbl,Smetana: Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera Vol.4, 2004 family TROGOSSITIDAE Latreille, 1802 subfamily Trogossitinae Latreille, 1802 tribe Trogossitini Latreille, 1802 genus Temnoscheila Westwood, 1830 caerulea A. G. Olivier, 1790 |
Autore: | cosmln [ 11/08/2010, 15:45 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
OndraK ha scritto: It´s Temnoscheila sp. (Trogossitidae). In Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera is only Temnoscheila tristis. But I don´t what is different between T. caerulea and T. tristis. in Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera vol. 4 page 365 (3 sp.): caerulea A. G. Olivier, 1790a: no 19: 6 (Trogossita) E: AU BH BU CR FR GR PT SK SP ST SV SZ N" AG CI japonica Reitter, 1875c: 20 (Trogosita) A: FE JANC NE tristis Mulsant & Rey, 1853b: 8 (Trogosita) E: IT NTR and yes I know from this caerulea is not present in Italy. after FaunaEU: distribution for caerulea include also Italy. for tristis only Sicily Island (Italy) this was also a reason for me to say caerulea. have no idea what are the differences between the two species ![]() ![]() cosmln |
Autore: | Daniele Sechi [ 11/08/2010, 15:56 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
cosmln ha scritto: in Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera vol. 4 page 365 (3 sp.): caerulea A. G. Olivier, 1790a: no 19: 6 (Trogossita) E: AU BH BU CR FR GR PT SK SP ST SV SZ N" AG CI japonica Reitter, 1875c: 20 (Trogosita) A: FE JANC NE tristis Mulsant & Rey, 1853b: 8 (Trogosita) E: IT NTR and yes I know from this caerulea is not present in Italy. after FaunaEU: distribution for caerulea include also Italy. for tristis only Sicily Island (Italy) this was also a reason for me to say caerulea. have no idea what are the differences between the two species ![]() ![]() cosmln So, no Temnoscheila is known from Sardinia... I've found it, but... caerulea or tristis ![]() |
Autore: | Pippistrello [ 11/08/2010, 15:58 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? |
OndraK ha scritto: It´s Temnoscheila sp. (Trogossitidae). In Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera is only Temnoscheila tristis from Italy. But I don´t what is different between T. caerulea and T. tristis. If they are caerulae, they are still present in Italy. Read link, attached by Cosmin Thank You in any case Ondrei ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 11/08/2010, 16:00 ] | ||
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana | ||
Checklist of the Italian fauna on-line http://www.faunaitalia.it/checklist/introduction.html Temnochila Westwood, 1835 Temnochila coerulea (Olivier, 1790) (N, S, Si, Sa)
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Autore: | Pippistrello [ 11/08/2010, 16:02 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Lucanidae?? - No-Temnochila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? |
Honza ha scritto: Löbl,Smetana: Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera Vol.4, 2004 family TROGOSSITIDAE Latreille, 1802 subfamily Trogossitinae Latreille, 1802 tribe Trogossitini Latreille, 1802 genus Temnoscheila Westwood, 1830 caerulea A. G. Olivier, 1790 Hi Jan Temnoscheila or Temnocheila? Well, may do you know the difference between caerulea and tristis? ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 11/08/2010, 16:18 ] | ||
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana | ||
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Autore: | Pippistrello [ 11/08/2010, 16:34 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana |
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Autore: | gomphus [ 11/08/2010, 19:59 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana |
33.2.3.1. when an unjustified emendation is in prevailing usage and is attributed to the original author and date it is deemed to be a justified emendation. Example. Because Helophorus, an unjustified emendation by Illiger (1801) of Elophorus Fabricius, 1775, is in prevailing use in the Coleoptera and attributed to Fabricius, it is deemed to be a justified emendation; the name Helophorus Fabricius, 1775 is to be maintained as the correct spelling e quindi Temnochila Westwood, 1835 |
Autore: | Velvet Ant [ 11/08/2010, 20:16 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana |
gomphus ha scritto: ...e quindi Temnochila Westwood, 1835 Perché 1835? (e non 1830) |
Autore: | gomphus [ 11/08/2010, 20:33 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Temnoscheila caerulea (Olivier, 1790)? - Trogossitidae - Toscana |
l'ho copiato dalla pagina della checklist ![]() ![]() |
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