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Brachycerus muricatus Olivier, 1790 (cf.) - Brachyceridae

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Dicomed
PostPosted: 07/02/2018, 18:59 
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Scusate il doppione, ma questo dalle foto viste mi sembrava più B. muricatus che questo viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78611

Quindi sono la stessa specie?
non lo avrei mai detto :oooner:

10mm

Grazie in anticipo!!


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togaspain
PostPosted: 08/02/2018, 9:13 
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for me it is Brachycerus pradieri Fairmaire, 1856
I made the identification based on the old key for Iberian species
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Questo per me è proprio Brachycerus muricatus Olivier, 1790 :? :oops:

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PostPosted: 08/02/2018, 18:28 
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togaspain wrote:
for me it is Brachycerus pradieri Fairmaire, 1856
I made the identification based on the old key for Iberian species
Regards! :hi:
Tomasz


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PostPosted: 08/02/2018, 18:33 
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I used this publication for identification.
It's possible that I misinterpret it, but I know spanish and I think, that it should be good.
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Inserisco un paio di tavole tratte da:
Skuhrovec, J., Caldara, R., Stejskal, R., Bahr, F., Trnka, F. & Gosik, R. (2013): Digital-Weevil-Determination for Curculionoidea of West Palaearctic. Brachycerinae (Brachycerini, Erirhinini & Tanysphyrini). - SNUDEBILLER: Studies on taxonomy, biology and ecology of Curculionoidea 14, No. 215: 17 pp

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PostPosted: 09/02/2018, 9:12 
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Thank you for exchanging thoughts. :lov2:
I do not know anything more. :roll:
The two photos you have posted look the same, one is cleaner than the other. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
I leave the matter to the experts at Brachyceridae
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togaspain wrote:
The two photos you have posted look the same, one is cleaner than the other. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
:hi:


:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:



Su questo devo controllare ancora.

Grazie comunque ad entrambi, and for the Key! :lov2:
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PostPosted: 10/02/2018, 14:30 
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I add two photos of the genre marked by me as a pradieri. The image on the side of the head clearly shows that the eyes are higher than the forehead.
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PostPosted: 10/02/2018, 23:03 
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Con questo invece arrivo a Brachycerus algirus (che come ha detto Tomasz è sinonimo di muricatus)

- 2. Reborde ocular (ver lateralmente), sobresaliendo claramente dę
la superficie superior de la cabeza. (Fig. 5a.) ... 3
Reborde ocular no sobrepasando la curva del vértex. (Fig. 5b.) ... 7

- 7. Tibias anteriores cilindricas, sin quilla longitudinal ... 8
Tibias anteriores con una quilla longitudinal o su cara anterior angulosa ... 9

- 9. Elitros con costillas simples, ni onduladas ni descompuestas en tubérculos ... 10
Elitros con costillas onduladas, en zigzag o descompuestas en tubérculos ... 11

- 11. Borde anterior del pronoto formando un lòbulo màs o menos saliente en su mitad y sinuado a ambos lados del mismo (Fig. 9a) ... 12
Borde anterior del pronoto truncado, sin lòbulo mediano o imperceptible. (Fig. 9b.) ... 13

- 12 Màrgenes suturales de los élitros subcostiformes y subparalelas. Andalucia, Ertremadura, Baleares. Marruecos. barbarus (Lin.)
Màrgenes suturales con placas o tubérculos opuestos o alternos. Toda la Peninsula. Baleares.
algirus (Fabr.) (=muricatus)


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ma in questo caso l'occhio sporge sopra la fronte. Dovresti seguire questo percorso:
- 2. Reborde ocular (ver lateralmente), sobresaliendo claramente dę
la superficie superior de la cabeza. (Fig. 5a.) ... 3
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togaspain wrote:
ma in questo caso l'occhio sporge sopra la fronte. Dovresti seguire questo percorso:
- 2. Reborde ocular (ver lateralmente), sobresaliendo claramente dę
la superficie superior de la cabeza. (Fig. 5a.) ... 3
:hi:


:? :? :roll:
A me sembra proprio di no. :(

Che poi dice 'claramente sobresaliendo', cioè chiaramente superando la testa


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FORBIX wrote:
:ok: :ok: :ok:
Inserisco un paio di tavole tratte da:
Skuhrovec, J., Caldara, R., Stejskal, R., Bahr, F., Trnka, F. & Gosik, R. (2013): Digital-Weevil-Determination for Curculionoidea of West Palaearctic. Brachycerinae (Brachycerini, Erirhinini & Tanysphyrini). - SNUDEBILLER: Studies on taxonomy, biology and ecology of Curculionoidea 14, No. 215: 17 pp

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Leonardo, e possibile spedire anche questo pdf?
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Penso che ora puoi vedere cosa intendevo


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