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Autore: | Julodis [ 27/04/2014, 7:19 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Bella bestia! Anche se non è nel mio gruppo di primario interesse, provo un po' d'invidia. |
Autore: | Anillus [ 27/04/2014, 8:02 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Julodis ha scritto: Bella bestia! Anche se non è nel mio gruppo di primario interesse, provo un po' d'invidia. ....e io ti ringrazio e ti faccio i miei più sinceri complimenti per gli splendidi animali che ci stai facendo vedere ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ....a proposito, a quando i Crisidi? ![]() |
Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 27/04/2014, 8:34 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Anillus ha scritto: Julodis ha scritto: Bella bestia! Anche se non è nel mio gruppo di primario interesse, provo un po' d'invidia. ....e io ti ringrazio e ti faccio i miei più sinceri complimenti per gli splendidi animali che ci stai facendo vedere ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ....a proposito, a quando i Crisidi? ![]() Ho ancora qualche curiosità nord africana da mostrare e poi oggi preparo le valigie per il "salto in Turchia" con Marco U e Maurizio B. |
Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 27/04/2014, 9:34 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
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Autore: | Anillus [ 27/04/2014, 12:14 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Guido Sabatinelli ha scritto: Anillus ha scritto: Julodis ha scritto: Bella bestia! Anche se non è nel mio gruppo di primario interesse, provo un po' d'invidia. ....e io ti ringrazio e ti faccio i miei più sinceri complimenti per gli splendidi animali che ci stai facendo vedere ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ....a proposito, a quando i Crisidi? ![]() Ho ancora qualche curiosità nord africana da mostrare e poi oggi preparo le valigie per il "salto in Turchia" con Marco U e Maurizio B. Ok!!! Buon "salto" ![]() |
Autore: | aphodius [ 10/05/2014, 12:52 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
My colleagues from the Czech Republic, Germany and Sicily are working on the revision of all Mediterranean Bolbelasmus-species, so we'll see what is this specimen (according to my information, my colleague from Prague has the type material of B. bocchus and B. vaulogerii at home)... One thing is clear, B. vaulogerii is the valid species, not only supspecies! |
Autore: | aphodius [ 11/05/2014, 0:41 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
The type specimen of B. vaulogerii (male) from Tunisia has only one simple horn on head while B. bocchus from Spain and Portugal has two horns adjacent - see e.g. the following link: http://faluke.blogspot.cz/2012/03/bolbe ... cchus.html So, it is possible that B. romanorum is the synonym for B. vaulogerii or its subspecies (but let's go wait for a revision). |
Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 11/05/2014, 12:03 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus bocchus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
aphodius ha scritto: The type specimen of B. vaulogerii (male) from Tunisia has only one simple horn on head while B. bocchus from Spain and Portugal has two horns adjacent - see e.g. the following link: Thanks, interesting subject. Although i dont know much about it I offer the following two observations:http://faluke.blogspot.cz/2012/03/bolbe ... cchus.html So, it is possible that B. romanorum is the synonym for B. vaulogerii or its subspecies (but let's go wait for a revision). 1. Baraud described (1998) quite well the frontal horn in B.vaulogerii (splitted at the apex) and in B.bocchus (splitted from the base). 2. B.romanorum is possible synonymous of B.vaulogerii?? I dont know the paper, but I suppose that the Authors of B.romanorum compared the Sicilian specimens with both related species and in particular with B.vaulogerii from Tunisia. Isn't? Ciao, Guido |
Autore: | aphodius [ 11/05/2014, 12:24 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Baraud as Arnone & Massa didn't see the type specimen of B. vaulogerii. My colleague from Prague David Král has the type (male) at home (lent from museum), and it has only 1 simple horn (its morphology is identical with B. romanorum, so, B. romanorum is the synonym for B. vaulogerii or its ssp.!). The description in Baraud (1992) is incorrect. Species with horn splitted from the base refer to European B. bocchus (black-coloured body), but north African species with horn splitted at the apex (rust-coloured body) is a species without name, so my colleagues want to name it as B. krikkeni sp.n. - this species is in the photo in the following link under the name B. bocchus (it is B. krikkeni sp. n. in prep. = B. vaulogerii auctorum): http://www.biolib.cz/cz/taxonimage/id12 ... nid=243131 However, there is the following question: is B. bocchus from Spain and Portugal inentical with the type material of B. bocchus from Algeria??? B. bocchus was described from Algeria (no more specimens are known from this country) and known also from Morocco, but I have no information about the type from Algeria. So, we wil see after the revision from David Král, Oliver Hillert and Bruno Massa. |
Autore: | aphodius [ 11/05/2014, 12:41 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
However, I don't see good the horn of this specimen from Matmata - is it a simple horn or splitted at apex?? |
Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 11/05/2014, 19:43 ] | ||||
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia | ||||
aphodius ha scritto: However, I don't see good the horn of this specimen from Matmata - is it a simple horn or splitted at apex?? Hi Daniel, I understand that this couple of specimens might be important. Here below some pictures of the frontal horn clearly apically splitted.
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Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 11/05/2014, 19:50 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
aphodius ha scritto: Baraud as Arnone & Massa didn't see the type specimen of B. vaulogerii. My colleague from Prague David Král has the type (male) at home (lent from museum), and it has only 1 simple horn (its morphology is identical with B. romanorum, so, B. romanorum is the synonym for B. vaulogerii or its ssp.!). The description in Baraud (1992) is incorrect. Species with horn splitted from the base refer to European B. bocchus (black-coloured body), but north African species with horn splitted at the apex (rust-coloured body) is a species without name, so my colleagues want to name it as B. krikkeni sp.n. - this species is in the photo in the following link under the name B. bocchus (it is B. krikkeni sp. n. in prep. = B. vaulogerii auctorum): http://www.biolib.cz/cz/taxonimage/id12 ... nid=243131 However, there is the following question: is B. bocchus from Spain and Portugal inentical with the type material of B. bocchus from Algeria??? B. bocchus was described from Algeria (no more specimens are known from this country) and known also from Morocco, but I have no information about the type from Algeria. So, we wil see after the revision from David Král, Oliver Hillert and Bruno Massa. I think the iconography provided in the paper and here in the Forum (viewtopic.php?f=166&t=16226&hilit=romanorum) is suggestive that what I collected in Matmata is B.vaulogerii. |
Autore: | aphodius [ 11/05/2014, 21:04 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
Hi Guido! Please read better what I wrote. Once again: The type specimen of B vaulogerii Abeille De Perrin, 1898 that is now at David's house (borrowed from the museum) is identical with B. romanorum Arnone & Massa, 2010 at first sight. Your specimen from Matmata is quite different: on the basis of your new detailed pictures I can say: your specimen is B. vaulogerii actorum and thus sp. n. - now without name, not B. vaulogerii Abeille De Perrin, 1898! Your specimen from Matmata could be a paratype in the description of B. krikkeni sp. n. in prep. (if You'll send it to David Král or Oliver Hillert). |
Autore: | Guido Sabatinelli [ 11/05/2014, 21:43 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Bolbelasmus vaulogeri Abeille de Perrin, 1898 - Tunisia |
aphodius ha scritto: Hi Guido! Please read better what I wrote. Once again: The type specimen of B vaulogerii Abeille De Perrin, 1898 that is now at David's house (borrowed from the museum) is identical with B. romanorum Arnone & Massa, 2010 at first sight. Your specimen from Matmata is quite different: on the basis of your new detailed pictures I can say: your specimen is B. vaulogerii actorum and thus sp. n. - now without name, not B. vaulogerii Abeille De Perrin, 1898! Your specimen from Matmata could be a paratype in the description of B. krikkeni sp. n. in prep. (if You'll send it to David Král or Oliver Hillert). Great! Thanks a lot. |
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