Swapped on Fragaria sp.. 2-2.5mm.
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 22/05/2011, 8:10 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae | ||
Swapped on Fragaria sp.. 2-2.5mm.
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| Autore: | Tomasius [ 10/06/2011, 19:32 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Hello AdYRuicanescu, in my opinion is this Trachys problematicus. Trachys fragariae has no hairs on the elytra and pronotum! ciau |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 13/06/2011, 9:01 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Penso proprio che Tomasius abbia ragione. Non è T. fragariae. |
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 13/06/2011, 9:30 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Julodis ha scritto: Penso proprio che Tomasius abbia ragione. Non è T. fragariae. The hairs are not visible if I don't use a diffuser. So when I made the identification, some years ago, I didn't know about the trick with the diffuser. I have to agree with Tomasius about the T. fragariae. But I have other T. problematica also here: viewtopic.php?f=73&t=21960 and it differs in shape. The front is not so concave between the eyes and the body shape is more oval. I like this collaboration and I seem to learn more here than in my all single activity. Thank you. Cheers. |
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| Autore: | Tomasius [ 13/06/2011, 10:39 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Cita: The front is not so concave between the eyes and the body shape is more oval. You're right, it looks a little bit different to Trachys problematica. Another possibility is Trachys ahenata Mulsant & Rey, 1863, but I don't know this species very well, so I can not say without any doubt if it is. |
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 13/06/2011, 14:18 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Tomasius ha scritto: Cita: The front is not so concave between the eyes and the body shape is more oval. You're right, it looks a little bit different to Trachys problematica. Another possibility is Trachys ahenata Mulsant & Rey, 1863, but I don't know this species very well, so I can not say without any doubt if it is. Yes you're right. I see here: http://coleoptera.ksib.pl/search.php?ta ... en&dds=par Trachys pumila Illiger, 1803 (synonym with T. ahenata Mulsant & Rey, 1863). Unfortunately, the single guide I have in Trachys is Schaefer, 1948. - Les Buprestides de France. It should be very productive if someone of us can make a guide of European Trachys and Habroloma. I think they are not so many species. |
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| Autore: | Tomasius [ 13/06/2011, 15:22 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
Be careful, Trachys ahenata isn't synonymised with Trachys pumila! After Löbl & Smetana (2006) is Trachys ahenata a valid species. The southern balcan species "Trachys pumila" lives in Phlomis sp. |
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 13/06/2011, 15:31 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae | ||
Tomasius ha scritto: Be careful, Trachys ahenata isn't synonymised with Trachys pumila! After Löbl & Smetana (2006) is Trachys ahenata a valid species. The southern balcan species "Trachys pumila" lives in Phlomis sp. Well, this will make it harder then. Because they are 3 species with a similar habitus. I have the books (Schaefer, Curletti, Bily, Muhle & co. Lobl & Smetana) at my job, I will check where I found T. ahenata synonymised to T. pumila. I have only my database "Buprom" here
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| Autore: | Tomasius [ 13/06/2011, 16:41 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae |
The Trachys pumila-group is very difficult, because there exist a few species wich names are not correct identified. Also Trachys phlyctenoides is after Löbl & Smetana a valid species. Fact is, that your specimens are not the southern balcan "Trachys pumila" wich lives in Phlomis sp., thats why I wouldn't call it Trachys pumila. |
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 16/06/2011, 10:35 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Trachys fragariae Brisout de Barneville, 1784 - Buprestidae | ||
Tomasius ha scritto: ... Fact is, that your specimens are not the southern balcan "Trachys pumila" wich lives in Phlomis sp., thats why I wouldn't call it Trachys pumila. Certainly not these ones I collected in Transylvania, far enough for the Southern Balkans. Now I am confused because I have not a new guide.
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