From Turkey. Middle Anatolia. Is it possible tı identified it with this photo.
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 09/10/2013, 23:09 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Perotis cuprata (Klug, 1829) - Buprestidae | ||
From Turkey. Middle Anatolia. Is it possible tı identified it with this photo.
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 09/10/2013, 23:42 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
hi ozgur similar specimens i collected several years ago in south-eastern anatolia (vil. şanlıurfa, birecik env.) were determined, if i remember correctly, as Perotis cupratus (Klug, 1829) (or cuprata  )from where exactly do your specimen(s) come, and on what plant did you find them? my ones were found on Euphorbia sp., half-sheltered at the base of leaf tufts |
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 09/10/2013, 23:50 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
gomphus ha scritto: hi ozgur similar specimens i collected several years ago in south-eastern anatolia (vil. şanlıurfa, birecik env.) were determined, if i remember correctly, as Perotis cupratus (Klug, 1829) (or cuprata )from where exactly do your specimen(s) come, and on what plant did you find them? my ones were found on Euphorbia sp., half-sheltered at the base of leaf tufts It is from Karaman.... But I couldnt remember the plant. |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 09/10/2013, 23:58 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
There are only two species of Perotis with this colour in Turkey: Perotis cuprata (Klug, 1829) Perotis lugubris (Fabricius, 1777) Pronotal and elytral puctulation is stronger in lugubris than in cuprata, and in the second species usually there are not elytral costae (usually there are in lugubris, but not in all specimens). Usually cuprata is smaller, but there is a wide variation in size in this genus. Looking at your photo, I think it is P. lugubris, but I can't be sure by photo. There are two subspecies in Turkey: P. lugubris lugubris (Fabricius, 1777) P. lugubris mutabilis (Abeille de Perrin, 1896) I think this is probably lugubris lugubris. |
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 10/10/2013, 0:12 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
Thanks for your comment Mr. Gigli. I have a doupt with the remarks on elytron and I want to ask an expert opinion... Best regards. |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 10/10/2013, 0:47 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
ozgur70 ha scritto: I have a doupt with the remarks on elytron Unluckily they are not easy to see by photo. They can seem very different depending by light used to take the picture. Most of lugubris are with series of smooth, darker reliefs on each elytron (absent in cuprata). I don't see them in your specimens, but they lack also in some lugubris. However, tomorrow I'll check better my specimens and key. |
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| Autore: | ozgur70 [ 10/10/2013, 7:28 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? | ||
I can find only this source in internet... http://www.acmaeodera.cz/acmaeodera/28- ... PEROTINIUM And I upload a bigger photo... Perhaps it is more useful. Thanks for your kindly interest.
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| Autore: | Joro [ 10/10/2013, 11:19 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
It is different from lugubris, Maurizio- sculpture, denser and more fine punctation,shape of pronotum, and more slender body.I think it should be cuprata. |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 10/10/2013, 14:41 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
Finally I checked specimens in my collection, and I think you (Georgi and Maurizio) are right: I am enough sure it is Perotis cuprata. I also checked the key in Kerremans (1906), but it is not very useful. The character "milieu du pronotum silloné longitudinalement" is too variable into each species to be considered. |
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 10/10/2013, 19:42 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
Julodis ha scritto: The character "milieu du pronotum silloné longitudinalement" is too variable into each species to be considered. Is also variable the character "sillon [longitudinal] formant a la base une large fossette préscutellaire"? |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 10/10/2013, 23:00 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Perotis sp...? |
Maurizio Bollino ha scritto: Julodis ha scritto: The character "milieu du pronotum silloné longitudinalement" is too variable into each species to be considered. Is also variable the character "sillon [longitudinal] formant a la base une large fossette préscutellaire"? Abbastanza. E comunque, in foto può non essere visibile, se fatta con luce diffusa. |
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