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| Autore: | Daniele Sechi [ 23/06/2014, 22:15 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) octodecimguttata quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
octodecimguttata, degener, lascio agli specialisti rinominarla come si deve... |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 23/06/2014, 23:26 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) octodecimguttata/degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) |
A. degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789). (octodecimguttata non si usa più da una vita!) |
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| Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 24/06/2014, 7:38 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
Its not A.degener. Its A.(Atth.)octodecimguttata quattuordecimpunctata (Vill.,1789) Both these scientific names are valid! This is typical A.degener: viewtopic.php?f=73&t=41705&hilit=Acmaeodera+degener (3 lateral spots only, latero-basal spot does not affect the humerale callus) |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 24/06/2014, 7:45 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
So octodecimguttata was resumed as valid species? Could you kindly let me know when, and possibly let me know where it's possible to find the paper? |
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| Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 24/06/2014, 7:56 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
There was nothing to be refreshed, both are valid since their descriptions. The problem is only that you are all confused, and no one looked at the type A.degener in the museum. Someone gave A.octodecimguttata past the synonyms of mistake ... Once released any new work that will cover this group, there are two names listed automatically. (same case as A.vetusta and A.theryana) Here in Czech Republic we are collect both of them - A.degener on one small locality only on the hilltop of rocks with oaks, A.octodecimguttata in the lowlands of South Moravia fairly abundant ... A.degener is much more rare species.. |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 24/06/2014, 15:14 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
So the same mistake is also in the Catalogue of Palaearctic Coleoptera? If you confirm both specie are to be considered valid, I'll have to change the name also in the checklist in the Forum. |
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| Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 24/06/2014, 22:41 ] | ||||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae | ||||
The Pal Catalogue III is full of errors, of course - taxonomic and faunistic, but certainly not caused intentionally ... It was just a lot of information and data that had to be revised in a short time, and even at the time of issue was far from done everything ... The other thing is, that since the Palaearctic Catalogue III, many things have changed in many groups ... who would then noticed that under one species, there are two different locations almost symbiotic, and thus very similar appearance ... A surprise for buprestology was that this fact discovered by a Slovak entomologist who collects Cleridae, and the same case appeared some years ago in Laos - but there were unknown, yet undescribed species imitating other next totally similar... Acmaeodera degener and Acmaeodera octodecimguttata are two gorgeous, very different valid species, both historically described. As I wrote, it's the same blindness, as in the case of species Acmaeodera Vetusta a Acmaeodera theryana ... In the Czech Republic made a material revision of our collectors Vít Kuban, most of our entomologists it already has in its collections correctly determined. It was the material from all over Europe ... A.degener degener: http://www.acmaeodera.cz/wa_script/imag ... acmaeodera A.octodecimguttata octodecimguttata: http://www.acmaeodera.cz/wa_script/imag ... acmaeodera
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| Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 25/06/2014, 6:06 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
Acmaeodera ha scritto: it's the same blindness, as in the case of species Acmaeodera vetusta a Acmaeodera theryana ... - resp. Acmaeoderella (E.)vetusta & A.(E.) theryana ...before 2001, and now, in the same group, A.olivacea - its now also valid taxon... Last revalidation of sc.name what I registered is Acmaeodera (Pal.) ceylonensis from A.(P.)bipunctata guillebeaui from Cyprus isl. |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 25/06/2014, 7:03 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae |
Thank you very much Ilja. Ok, so degener and octodecimpunctata are two different species. But, considering that during some years the second one was considered a synonym of the first one, there is a recent paper were anyone wrote they are not the same, but two different species? |
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| Autore: | Acmaeodera [ 25/06/2014, 8:24 ] | |||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Acmaeodera (Acmaeotethya) degener quattuordecimpunctata (Villers, 1789) - Buprestidae | |||
Well, I think that under the rules of the international nomenclature enough in this case in any other work or only state to use it as a valid synonym name, which was recently in at least four cases happened. It is to some extent the author's work in which the name applies, whether considered as a valid taxon type or not ... And for us, to judge whether he based on his expertise we agree or not ... However, given the history of similar cases of erroneous inclusion of valid names in synonymy, the re-validation of valid taxa usually do not resist, on the contrary ... Such cases solved later revision groups, where everything is put in order the differential diagnosis of revised species and data on biology or known distribution. If A.degener and A.octodecimguttata will be revided sometime, more important would be revision of ssp. A.o.quattuordecimpunctata on west and A.d.mlokossiewiczi on eastern Europe, because it can be also A.octodecimpunctata mlokossiewiczi !!! .. I never saw taxon mlokossiewiczi...
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