un altro chrysidid da Grecia - raccolto nel nord-est della Grecia (Tracia) (41.306244/26.093451) nel 19.maggio.2010, dimensione ~ 7-8 mm
è possibile sapere di più?
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| Autore: | cosmln [ 18/12/2010, 15:32 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Holopyga lucida (Lepeletier, 1806) - Chrysididae - Greece |
| un altro chrysidid da Grecia - raccolto nel nord-est della Grecia (Tracia) (41.306244/26.093451) nel 19.maggio.2010, dimensione ~ 7-8 mm è possibile sapere di più? |
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| Autore: | cosmln [ 23/12/2010, 19:48 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
I see is activity on Chrysididae so put this in front 
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| Autore: | Euchroeus [ 23/12/2010, 20:05 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
Hi! it's a female of Holopyga cfr. lucida (Lepeletier). In Eastern Europe only H. inflammata (Foerster) and austrialis Linsenmaier should be present, but the punctuation on the thorax is rather typical of lucida. I should examine the specimen to be more precise.
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 24/12/2010, 0:09 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
hi cosmin a picture of abdomen underside, to see punctuation of 2nd sternite, would be useful  ...
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| Autore: | cosmln [ 26/12/2010, 16:37 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
gomphus ha scritto: hi cosmin a picture of abdomen underside, to see punctuation of 2nd sternite, would be useful ...this is good enough? |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 26/12/2010, 16:58 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
 the punctuation is scattered, not dense; being seemingly to be excluded (irrespective of locality) H. jurinei through scattered S-II punctuation, H. inflammata through scutellum punctuation with broad smooth, shining intervals, and H. austrialis through short forebody pubescence, only H. lucida seems to remain... otherwise, it may be Holopyga cosmini FEI, 2011  from the features of the specimen, i see no reason to suppose else than H. lucida; anyway, despite of lack of records, considering the occurrence of central european elements in the area, its finding does not appear unlikely |
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| Autore: | cosmln [ 26/12/2010, 17:03 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: no1 ? - Chrysididae - Greece |
gomphus ha scritto: :ok: the punctuation is scattered, not dense; being seemingly to be excluded (irrespective of locality) H. jurinei through scattered S-II punctuation, H. inflammata through scutellum punctuation with broad smooth, shining intervals, and H. austrialis through short forebody pubescence, only H. lucida seems to remain... otherwise, it may be Holopyga cosmini FEI, 2011 from the features of the specimen, i see no reason to suppose else than H. lucida; anyway, despite of lack of records, considering the occurrence of central european elements in the area, its finding does not appear unlikely Grazie Maurizio. also a question... how to recognize male and female in Chrysididae? and maybe is a paper that describe the way to prepare male genitalia and also a picture of genitalia... to recognize it and to know how is better to set that |
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| Autore: | gomphus [ 26/12/2010, 17:25 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Holopyga lucida (Lepeletier, 1806) - Chrysididae - Greece |
hi cosmin the answer is not very simple, since criteria may vary according to the genus; as for Holopyga, males have T-III broadly rounded, almost semicircular, not elongate oval as in your female i will answer later with more details |
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