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Sterictiphora angelicae (Panzer, 1799) ♀ - Argidae

4.VI.1995 - ITALY - Lazio - RM, Manziana


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giuseppe55
PostPosted: 12/08/2013, 18:54 
 

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Questa è una femmina di: Sterictiphora angelicae (Panzer, 1799)

Lunghezza: c.a. mm. 6
S. angelicae 002 A.jpg



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S. angelicae 003 A.jpg



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D & JP Balmer
PostPosted: 13/08/2013, 13:49 
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I completely agree with you !
It is magnificent to have ♂ & ♀ of the same species, especially as I believe that the species is rare in Western Europe.

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D & JP Balmer wrote:
I completely agree with you !

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D & JP Balmer wrote:
It is magnificent to have ♂ & ♀ of the same species, especially as I believe that the species is rare in Western Europe.

Sì.
Anche se per il maschio resta un ?
Non conosco la diffusione e la rarità della specie.
Forse in Italia è più comune.

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D & JP Balmer
PostPosted: 14/08/2013, 0:48 
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The species was especially captured in Eastern Europe and in Iberian Peninsula.
Otherwise a surprising capture would have been made in the Luxembourg ... !
I think that it is rare in Italy.
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PS : I did not understand "Anche se per il maschio resta un ?", can you translate into English or into French ?

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gomphus
PostPosted: 14/08/2013, 9:48 
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bonjour jean-pierre

giuseppe a dit ce que moi aussi allais écrire :ok: c'est-à-dire que la détermination du mâle demeure douteuse :roll:

d'autant plus que le mâle et la femelle proviennent de deux localités différentes, bien éloignées, et avec des conditions locales différentes :? ... et que la longueur des antennes du mâle indiquerait plutôt furcata :oooner: ...

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D & JP Balmer
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gomphus wrote:
bonjour jean-pierre

giuseppe a dit ce que moi aussi allais écrire :ok: c'est-à-dire que la détermination du mâle demeure douteuse :roll:

d'autant plus que le mâle et la femelle proviennent de deux localités différentes, bien éloignées, et avec des conditions locales différentes :? ... et que la longueur des antennes du mâle indiquerait plutôt furcata :oooner: ...


Saluti,

furcata C'était finalement aussi mon avis !
Mais tu n'as peut-être pas lu mon Message du 11/08/2013 dans viewtopic.php?f=11&t=46593 ?
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S'agissant des conditions de capture de ma femelle (je pense que c'est elle, en particulier, que tu évoques), étant données les exigences écologiques particulières de cette espèce, j'avais précisé les conditions de capture "on a dry plateau at an altitude of about 835 m", qui s'apparentent aux conditions que vous pouvez trouver dans les Abruzzes.

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gomphus
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ciao jean-pierre

en effet, j'ai lu tes messages, si bien que ceux de giuseppe, mais apparemment il y avait là pas de certitude absolue quant au mâle

et la femelle à laquelle je me réferais était celle de giuseppe de manziana, près de rome

en conclusion, si tu es d'accord, je serais incliné, pour le moment, à indiquer le mâle comme "cf. furcata"

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D & JP Balmer
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gomphus wrote:
ciao jean-pierre

en effet, j'ai lu tes messages, si bien que ceux de giuseppe, mais apparemment il y avait là pas de certitude absolue quant au mâle

et la femelle à laquelle je me réferais était celle de giuseppe de manziana, près de rome

en conclusion, si tu es d'accord, je serais incliné, pour le moment, à indiquer le mâle comme "cf. furcata"

cf. furcata Entièrement d'accord étant données les réserves, quant à l'identification de Taeger & ....

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Grazie a Jean-Pierre
per tutte le indicazioni fornite.

Grazie anche a Maurizio per il suo risolutivo intervento.

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Daniele Maccapani
PostPosted: 29/11/2014, 0:48 
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Non sono sicuro di aver rinominato bene la discussione (qualche difficoltà a destreggiarmi con inglese e soprattutto francese :oops: )...
Qualcuno può darmi conferma o meno, così poi la sposto? :hi:

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va benone :ok:

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Grazie :ok:
Allora sposto :hi:

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gomphus
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discutendo della questione con fausto pesarini, abbiamo scoperto che 1) la femmina di S. furcata ha il torace nero come il maschio; 2) S. furcata non sembra presente in italia

quindi Sterictiphora angelicae (Panzer, 1799)

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