Autore |
Messaggio |
alexaandru
|
Inviato: 07/12/2021, 15:36 |
|
Iscritto il: 31/08/2010, 7:16 Messaggi: 2944 Località: Romania
Nome: Pintilioaie Alexandru Mihai
|
Hi all, this female was found at the Black Sea coast, in november 2021, it could be O. brumata or it is some other species?
_________________ alexandrupintilioaie(AT)gmail.com
|
|
Top |
|
|
alexaandru
|
Inviato: 26/12/2021, 11:50 |
|
Iscritto il: 31/08/2010, 7:16 Messaggi: 2944 Località: Romania
Nome: Pintilioaie Alexandru Mihai
|
No ideas?
_________________ alexandrupintilioaie(AT)gmail.com
|
|
Top |
|
|
Agdistis
|
Inviato: 26/12/2021, 15:18 |
|
Iscritto il: 24/04/2010, 8:24 Messaggi: 4985
Nome: Lucio Morin
|
It is not so easy to determine an apterous female even when you have it in your hand, it would be important to know the plants that surround the area of the find, for O. fagata the presence of Beech or Birch is almost essential, O. brumata adapts to many more plants especially Prunus. From what I know, the females of O. fagata should have more developed wings while those of O. fagata a little less but both have anyway a very evident dark line on the wings. The possibility remains that it is Agriopsis bajaria which has very reduced wings without evident dark spots, another species that flies in your country that has the apterous females is the Lignyoptera fumidaria. Opteroptera and Agriopsis are in my experience linked to wooded areas, while Lignyoptera to steppe regions. I am not aware of other autumnal species with apterous females, all the others are spring. I hope to be proved helpful. Ciao Lucio
_________________ A VOLTE E' MEGLIO TACERE E SEMBRARE STUPIDI CHE APRIR BOCCA E TOGLIERE OGNI DUBBIO Oscar Wilde
|
|
Top |
|
|
cosmln
|
Inviato: 26/12/2021, 17:56 |
|
Iscritto il: 26/03/2010, 14:55 Messaggi: 5900 Località: Romania
Nome: Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci
|
Agdistis ha scritto: It is not so easy to determine an apterous female even when you have it in your hand, it would be important to know the plants that surround the area of the find, for O. fagata the presence of Beech or Birch is almost essential, O. brumata adapts to many more plants especially Prunus. From what I know, the females of O. fagata should have more developed wings while those of O. fagata a little less but both have anyway a very evident dark line on the wings. The possibility remains that it is Agriopsis bajaria which has very reduced wings without evident dark spots, another species that flies in your country that has the apterous females is the Lignyoptera fumidaria. Opteroptera and Agriopsis are in my experience linked to wooded areas, while Lignyoptera to steppe regions. I am not aware of other autumnal species with apterous females, all the others are spring. I hope to be proved helpful. Ciao Lucio Non ho trovato ancora femmine di fumidaria, ma habitat da dove e raccolto questa femmina non e propio quello conosciuto qui. Un po di anni fa ho trovato primo maschio per Romania e una mese fa ho trovato altri maschi in altra localita. Per quel posto che conosco bene credo che altre specie probabile sono A.aurantiaria e E.declinans.
_________________ Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci ********************** cosmln's place - my blogjust insectsDragonflies of Romania
|
|
Top |
|
|
alexaandru
|
Inviato: 06/01/2022, 11:18 |
|
Iscritto il: 31/08/2010, 7:16 Messaggi: 2944 Località: Romania
Nome: Pintilioaie Alexandru Mihai
|
Thank you both for your messages , I tried to prepare the female genitalia but I don't know if I did everything right , any chance to say more about this specimen now?
_________________ alexandrupintilioaie(AT)gmail.com
|
|
Top |
|
|
alexaandru
|
Inviato: 07/01/2022, 13:46 |
|
Iscritto il: 31/08/2010, 7:16 Messaggi: 2944 Località: Romania
Nome: Pintilioaie Alexandru Mihai
|
This female was ID-ed as Deuterotinea casanella (Eversmann, 1844) , I also saw males there, please see the picture
_________________ alexandrupintilioaie(AT)gmail.com
|
|
Top |
|
|
Agdistis
|
Inviato: 07/01/2022, 16:53 |
|
Iscritto il: 24/04/2010, 8:24 Messaggi: 4985
Nome: Lucio Morin
|
Specie che non conoscevo , Molto interessante. Ciao Lucio
_________________ A VOLTE E' MEGLIO TACERE E SEMBRARE STUPIDI CHE APRIR BOCCA E TOGLIERE OGNI DUBBIO Oscar Wilde
|
|
Top |
|
|
|