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Autore:  ozgur70 [ 13/03/2018, 22:20 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Calosoma (Campalita) maderae dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 - Carabidae

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Autore:  Julodis [ 13/03/2018, 22:28 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Calosoma2 ??

Maybe Calosoma (Campalita) auropunctatum

Autore:  gomphus [ 13/03/2018, 22:50 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Calosoma2 ??

hi ozgur

Calosoma (Campalita) ***** dsungaricum Gebler, 1833

according to fauna europaea, dsungaricum is a ssp. of auropunctatum :? ; conversely, according to the recent "calosoma of the world" by sandro bruschi, auropunctatum is a simple synonym (not even a ssp.) of maderae, thus dsungaricum is a ssp. of the latter :cry:

now, choose as you prefer, i feel unable to do so :ses

p.s. i would rather see auropunctatum as valid ssp. of maderae (in any case not a species); however, should auropunctatum indeed be a synonym of maderae, i :oops: would see little reasons to retain dsungaricum as ssp.

p.p.s. your name is "ozgur" or "özgür" ;) ?

Autore:  ozgur70 [ 13/03/2018, 23:11 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Calosoma2 ??

Thanks Maurizio.

My name is Özgür. Because of English alphabet I write Ozgur. :)
Than according to last articles it must be Calosome maderae ssp. auropunctatum?

Autore:  gomphus [ 13/03/2018, 23:32 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Calosoma2 ??

ozgur70 ha scritto:
... Than according to last articles it must be Calosome maderae ssp. auropunctatum?

no :no: in my opinion rather C. maderae dsungaricum (with both auropunctatum and dsungaricum as sspp. of maderae), or possibly C. maderae, with no subspecies... but for the latter, please wait until tomorrow, i have in museum my copy of the bruschi's work, and i don't remember what is said about the oriental forms (tectum and indicum) of the maderae complex

Autore:  gomphus [ 14/03/2018, 18:35 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Calosoma (Campalita) ... dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 - Carabidae

ok :)

after consulting bruschi's work, although not fully persuaded :? , i choose to temporarily name it Calosoma (Campalita) maderae dsungaricum Gebler, 1833 ;)

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