Another Dorcadion from Bulgaria:
Bulgaria, Kiten near Primorsko,
20 V 2005, Leg. A. Woźniak
Male: 14 mm, female: 15 mm.
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| Autore: | Uncle Adam [ 07/02/2014, 3:26 ] | |||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae | |||
Another Dorcadion from Bulgaria: Bulgaria, Kiten near Primorsko, 20 V 2005, Leg. A. Woźniak Male: 14 mm, female: 15 mm.
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 07/02/2014, 8:06 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion 5 |
Dorcadion pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) 
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 07/02/2014, 9:32 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
One more reason to accept the subgenus Pedestredorcadion: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) sounds better than Dorcadion (Cribridorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) 
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| Autore: | Uncle Adam [ 07/02/2014, 10:12 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
Thank you very much!  This view is still evolving. According Danilevsky (2009): Cribridorcadion PIC, 1901 = Pedestredorcadion BREUNING, 1943 = Autodorcadion PLAVILSTSHIKOV, 1958 = Megalodorcadion PESARINI et SABBADINI, 1999 = Bergerianum PESARINI et SABBADINI, 2004, and now probably even otherwise  I'll wait until someone eventually will develop clear.
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 07/02/2014, 11:28 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
it IS clear for us ! The thing is - and nobody explained it to me yet - , how is it with validity-date and that freaking code 
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 07/02/2014, 14:05 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
zdeno ha scritto: it IS clear for us ! The thing is - and nobody explained it to me yet - , how is it with validity-date and that freaking code Zdeno, you have both the knowledge and the contacts to prepare a paper about this matter. I am sure that if you propose such project to either Pierpaolo or to Andrea, any of them (or both?) will accept to be co-author of the FINAL SOLUTION for such a nomenclatorial nightmare! |
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 07/02/2014, 14:36 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
now I read some papers from Danilevsky....2009 Danilevsky put validity of Cribridorcadion on, 2010 Feb PalCat- Cribridorcadion, then 2010 July Andrea`s & Carlo`work - Pedestredorcadion "in force", then 2012/13 Danilevsky describing new species under Cribridorcadion again, then updated 17.01.2014 A check-list of Longicorn Beetles (Coleoptera, Cerambycoidea) of Europe Mikhail L. Danilevsky - Cribridorcadion AGAIN. Maurizio, I think that this will be " no win " war with him ! If we go by date now, then Cribridorcadion must be valid, if we go by BRAIN, then Pedestredorcs for sure...the question is, what is then valid according to ICZN ? If is Pedestredorcadion accepted, then why is he using Cribrido as a valid status ? Can it be valid ??? Anyway, I will stick with my Pedestredorcadion for something I`m working on, I just `d like to know what is " right " at this moment. P.S. did you get my thing ?
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| Autore: | Uncle Adam [ 08/02/2014, 13:36 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
zdeno ha scritto: (...) If we go by date now, then Cribridorcadion must be valid, if we go by BRAIN, then Pedestredorcs for sure...the question is, what is then valid according to ICZN ? If is Pedestredorcadion accepted, then why is he using Cribrido as a valid status ? Can it be valid ??? (...) Another interesting and very important question. The question that probably unfortunately remain unanswered...  
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| Autore: | Phytoecia [ 09/06/2014, 10:46 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dorcadion (Pedestredorcadion) pedestre pedestre (Poda, 1761) - Cerambycidae |
zdeno ha scritto: If we go by date now, then Cribridorcadion must be valid, if we go by BRAIN, then Pedestredorcs for sure...the question is, what is then valid according to ICZN ? If is Pedestredorcadion accepted, then why is he using Cribrido as a valid status ? Can it be valid ??? I add to discussion. Problem is small and another. I see two parallel hipothesis: by Danilevsky (Cribri-) and by Pesarini (Pedestre-). Here isn't better or valid point view. CPC is only "Checklist" with point of view some authors. Each for us can choice a better dividing for own use, .... or providing personal researches and create a next one new hipothesis for dividing Dorcadions! PS. Look please in Sama, Dascalu, Pesarini, 2010. D.gashtarovi. |
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