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| Autore: | ApolloY [ 02/10/2011, 6:46 ] | |||||||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) e Copris (Copris) lunaris (Linnaeus, 1758) - Scarabaeidae, Scarabaeinae, Coprini | |||||||
to draw attention to the Horn (especially in the Female)
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| Autore: | Creedence [ 02/10/2011, 9:42 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
Pronotal anterior angles acute = C. hispanus Pronotal anterior angles widely rounded = C. lunaris Angoli anteriori del pronoto acuti = C. hispanus Angoli anteriori del pronoto arrotondati = C. lunaris Apollo, the specimen of your 6th, 7th and 8th photo is a female of C. lunaris. More, if the specimens of your photos # 4 and # 5 have been collected in Israel, they are both C. hispanus cavolini. Please, would you post a photo of the animals from above? |
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| Autore: | ApolloY [ 02/10/2011, 11:08 ] | ||||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) | ||||
All beetles (except Copris hispanus Linnaeus. Male (right)) from Israel and everything - Corris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna,1792), photo 6-8 too (so said in university Tel Aviva). Copris Lunaris in Israel does not live.
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 02/10/2011, 11:35 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
Creedence ha scritto: Pronotal anterior angles acute = C. hispanus Pronotal anterior angles widely rounded = C. lunaris Angoli anteriori del pronoto acuti = C. hispanus Angoli anteriori del pronoto arrotondati = C. lunaris That is to say, last specimen but one is a female of hispanus, and last one is a female of lunaris, right? |
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 02/10/2011, 11:47 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
Maurizio Bollino ha scritto: Creedence ha scritto: Pronotal anterior angles acute = C. hispanus Pronotal anterior angles widely rounded = C. lunaris Angoli anteriori del pronoto acuti = C. hispanus Angoli anteriori del pronoto arrotondati = C. lunaris That is to say, last specimen but one is a female of hispanus, and last one is a female of lunaris, right? Senza-titolo-1.jpg Maurizio, I would say, that the one on the left is a small male |
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 02/10/2011, 11:57 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
zdeno ha scritto: Maurizio, I would say, that the one on the left is a small male I based on the sex identification given by Yuri. Apart from the sex, do the specimens belong to two different species? |
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| Autore: | ApolloY [ 02/10/2011, 12:05 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
Friends, once again, all female from the land of Israel. Copris Lunaris in Israel it is no. |
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 02/10/2011, 12:11 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
I dont know my friend. I can see there is different horn...but if its the same like the second photographed specimen from Yuri`s last post, then its a female. And for sure they are 2 species like Creedence said. AppoloY - Copris lunaris is recorded from Israel - http://www.glaphyridae.com/Scarabaeinae ... e.html#cop |
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| Autore: | Julodis [ 02/10/2011, 12:27 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
The pinned female seems identical to our Copris lunaris. |
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| Autore: | ApolloY [ 02/10/2011, 13:39 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
I sent the question in the University of Tel Aviv. In the list beetles Israel Copris Lunaris is no. |
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| Autore: | ApolloY [ 02/10/2011, 13:56 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
In the past year, I took the female in university. Professor Chikatunov V.I. said that this is the C. hispаnus саvоlinii |
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| Autore: | zdeno [ 02/10/2011, 14:56 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
http://www.glaphyridae.com/Scarabaeinae/Co_lunaris.html |
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| Autore: | AdYRuicanescu [ 02/10/2011, 15:22 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
ApolloY, I agree with Maurizio. Copris lunaris is very common in my country, meanwhile C. hispanus is very rare, only 2 specimens recorded, one in my collection. I would be very glad to see a female of C. hispanus, but the previous posts are right. You have well developed males and small males of C. hispanus, but the female is of C. lunaris. Cheers |
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| Autore: | Creedence [ 02/10/2011, 16:36 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
C. lunaris is recorded from “Palestina” by Bodenheimer (1937). Furthermore, the species is known from Syria (Hariri, 1968). I agree with the Maurizios, Zdeno and Adrian: there are two different species. The female with the horn bifurcate apically – and pronotal angles rounded - is not C. hispanus. It should be C. lunaris. |
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| Autore: | Maurizio Bollino [ 02/10/2011, 16:46 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Copris hispanus cavolinii (Petagna, 1792) |
Creedence ha scritto: I agree with the Maurizios Bella questa dei "Maurizios"  Quasi quasi apriamo un ristorante con questo nome: menù a base di insetti!!!! Piatti della casa: farfalle al paradiclorobenzolo, e coccinelle all'etere acetico ..... di Modena
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