Aiuto ID!
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| Autore: | Isidro [ 01/01/2018, 10:15 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Collyria sp. - Ichneumonidae | ||
Aiuto ID! Grazie!
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| Autore: | Eopteryx [ 26/01/2018, 14:04 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dusona sp. - Ichneumonidae |
I'd rather say Collyria (Collyriinae) [parasitoids of Cephidae]. But - obviously - I need the specimen. Filippo |
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| Autore: | Isidro [ 26/01/2018, 15:00 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dusona sp. - Ichneumonidae |
Oh, thanks for the correction! In hymis.de was suggested Dusona. Did you saw all the other ichneumonids that I've uploaded recently? Specimen of this Collyria was collected but collector don't say a word since various years ago, she promised me the names but sadly she only delay the promise and lately even don't reply... |
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| Autore: | Eopteryx [ 26/01/2018, 15:26 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dusona sp. - Ichneumonidae |
It is not possible to ID Collyria by a picture. Need to see the shape of ventral part of epicnemial carina, between insertion of fore coxae (!!). I saw the other pictures you've uploaded but I have very little to add unfortunately. Filippo |
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| Autore: | Isidro [ 26/01/2018, 20:27 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dusona sp. - Ichneumonidae |
Thanks anyway. In Spain there are recorded only 4 species: Collyria coxator, Collyria distincta, Collyria iberica and Collyria trichophthalma. Do you know if all of them are found in eastern Pyrenees? Susprisingly, all four species are illustrated in Google. Of them, only Collyria iberica have completely black legs like in my photo. It have any taxonomic relevance? Coxator (pale hind border of each abdominal segment, colour of abdomen base more orange than red, not like in my pic) http://www.amentinst.org/GIN/Collyriina ... 151-01.jpg Distincta (very slender abdomen... apparently more swollen hind femora?) http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/GBICH/BC ... 956820.jpg Iberica (match with mine except in proportion of red and black) http://tribes.eresmas.net/fotos/ins/Hym ... xesa_1.jpg Trichophthalma (tini yellow borders in abdominal segments, yellow spots in hind coxae) https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1686/260 ... 6c51_b.jpg |
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| Autore: | Eopteryx [ 28/01/2018, 19:06 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Dusona sp. - Ichneumonidae |
Not so many records in this family to assess if a species is present or not in a region, and I don't know if there are records in literature about Pyrenees (I know there is a checklist of Andorra by the way). About the colors: I have coxator and trichophthalma from different places in Italy and I'd say they can be distinguished only looking at morphology of prepectal carina, which is very peculiar in each species. Filippo 
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