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Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 14:11 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Philonthus dimidiatipennis Erichson, 1840 https://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie ... ref=265442 |
Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 15:10 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philonthus/Gabrius? |
Hey Jan, thank you a lot!! your help is a guarantee for this forum. ![]() It looks just like him ![]() I do not think it is very common because I have never again found specimens of this species in my research in the lagoon. I'm not even sure it's already recorded for the Venetian lagoon. Thanks ![]() Lorenzo |
Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 15:30 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Mi sono accorto solo ora di aver ripetutamente raddoppiato il "lo" di Philo"LO"nthus, PhiloLOnthini ecc. Chiedo scusa a tutti i cultori della materia per la mia dislessia ![]() ![]() Non so se si possa correggere il testo postato, ma se qualche Amministratore pietosamente cancella l'onta sarò grato ![]() ![]() Lorenzo |
Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 15:32 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Congratulations! ![]() Philonthus dimidiatipennis Erichson, 1840: E: AR CT FR GB GE GR IT NL RO SP ST UK N: AG MO A: AF IN IQ KZ MG TR UZ WS ORR in my collection only a few pieces, I collected in Greece, Morocco |
Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 16:55 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible... ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 17:05 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
AetherisIgnis ha scritto: Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible... ![]() I do not know this species from Italy biskrensis Fagel, 1957 E: FR ST N: AG MO A: IN KZ MG TM UZ |
Autore: | Agdistis [ 17/01/2021, 17:27 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philonthus/Gabrius? |
Lorenzo Zanella ha scritto: Hey Jan, thank you a lot!! your help is a guarantee for this forum. ![]() It looks just like him ![]() I do not think it is very common because I have never again found specimens of this species in my research in the lagoon. I'm not even sure it's already recorded for the Venetian lagoon. Thanks ![]() Lorenzo Spero di non aver visto male ma mi sembra identico, così solo per aggiungere un'altra località: Monfalcone Palude del Lisert 25 III 2012 (viewtopic.php?f=412&t=32464&hilit=lisert) Ciao Lucio |
Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 17:40 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Honza ha scritto: AetherisIgnis ha scritto: Ph. biskrensis Fagel, 1957 is also possible... ![]() I do not know this species from Italy biskrensis Fagel, 1957 E: FR ST N: AG MO A: IN KZ MG TM UZ Nevertheless, they seem to be sympatric in a large part of their ranges, so... ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 17:57 ] | |||
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? | |||
Coiffait, 1974
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Autore: | AetherisIgnis [ 17/01/2021, 18:18 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
As far as I understand, Ph. biskrensis differs from Ph. dimidiatipennis only in the smaller body size and smaller aedeagus, whereas the number of the peg-like setae may vary greatly in both species: https://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/pdf/gusarov.pdf ![]() |
Autore: | Honza [ 17/01/2021, 18:54 ] | ||
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? | ||
Coiffait, 1974
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Autore: | Lorenzo Zanella [ 17/01/2021, 20:33 ] |
Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Staphylinidae Philolonthini indeterminati: Neobisnius o Philolonthus/Gabrius? |
Lucio's specimen seems identical to mine. Unfortunately, my specimens are not male and I cannot verify the edeago. However, under the microscope the penultimate antennial article is as long as wide. The size is at least 6 mm, the second specimen even larger, but I think I have "pulled" the abdomen to look for the genitals. However, I would exclude that they can have a size within 5 mm. Thank you all for this discussion and the literature souces provided. Lorenzo |
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