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Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 - Elateridae
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Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 11/02/2012, 20:40 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 - Elateridae
Ciao! :hi:
Please confirm or identify this specimen ... we have a problem with him on entomo pl. ;)
Cordiali Saluti
Rafał :hi:

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Autore:  Anostirus [ 11/02/2012, 21:57 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
:D :D In my opinion according to the male genitalia it is C. aeruginosus (Olivier, 1790).

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Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 11/02/2012, 22:22 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
Thanx Giuseppe :ok:
...but I still have doubts :? , look at this :arrow:
(photos of Polish species from web site Iconographium Coleoptera Poloniae Copyright by L.Borowiec)
...look at proportions of the head and pronotum...
I think probably in the keys an error is... ???
Cordiali saluti
Rafał :hi:
...and to read http://pte.au.poznan.pl/ppe/PJE_2008/31_Borowiec.pdf

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Autore:  Anostirus [ 11/02/2012, 22:41 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
:D :D I don't know but the genitalia of your species below is strange, it is similar to that of C. ruzenae Laibner but seems different. It needs to examine other specimens to exclude if it is aberrant.

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Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 11/02/2012, 22:47 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
Thanx ,but I'have only this two specimens :?
....
Giuseppe,what key you are using?You could add Figures of male genitalia, to the topic?
Cordiali Saluti
Rafał. :hi:
Autore:  Anostirus [ 11/02/2012, 23:21 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
:D :D For the moment I cannot to invoice you figures; I compared the figures of your genitalia with paratypes of C. platiai. Mr Borowiec in his paper didn't give the drawing of genitalia of C. platiai so I am not sure if the specimen from Poland it is the true C. platiai !

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Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 11/02/2012, 23:26 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
I understand, thank you very much for the discussion :ok:
Cordiali Saluti
Rafał. :hi:
Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 12/02/2012, 11:22 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
...Giuseppe, what do you think about Limonius minutus / ponelli ??? :?
Cordiali Saluti
Rafał.
male genitalia :arrow: http://www.koleopterologie.de/arbeitsge ... oneli.html
Autore:  Honza [ 12/02/2012, 12:46 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
http://www.elateridae.com/result.php
Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 12/02/2012, 14:03 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
...Thanx Jan ,I'know this site ;)
Regards Rafał. :hi:
:arrow: Holotype C.platiai : http://www.elateridae.com/zobrbruk.php?id=3268
Autore:  Anostirus [ 12/02/2012, 17:50 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
:D :D Dear Rafal,
I have seen L. poneli (I have paratypes) and according to the genitalia it is clearly separable . There is a problem to separate the females because there are not clear characters to separate the two species.



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Autore:  Rafał Celadyn [ 12/02/2012, 20:27 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Cidnopus platiai Mertlik, 1996 ???
I meant for my second specimen genitals, but I know that this was a bad trail
Rafał Celadyn ha scritto:
Giuseppe, what do you think about Limonius minutus / ponelli ???

Anostirus ha scritto:
I have seen L. poneli (I have paratypes) and according to the genitalia it is clearly separable . There is a problem to separate the females because there are not clear characters to separate the two species.

...sorry ,my foult :oops:
...I meant my second specimen genitals ... , but now I know that this was a wrong way ...
Cordiali Saluti
Rafał. :hi:
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