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Size:10 mm
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| Autore: | Baris99 [ 16/06/2015, 19:33 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae | ||
? Size:10 mm On Salix sp.
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 16/06/2015, 20:42 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
Yes, Pyrochroidae. Hemidendroides daglariensis, male. A poorly known species, long known only on two females from Hatay (syntypes). The male (as your specimen is) was described only recently (Young, 2009) based on a series of one male and two females from Kastamonu. The male specimen depicted by Young is exactly like this one. Conversley, I have a small series from Hatay, including two males. Both have a large black spot among eyes. |
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| Autore: | strepens [ 16/06/2015, 20:55 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
Really wonderful !!! I totally agree with Marco. The distribution goes so in west, as in Esenyurt ??? Very close to Greece, so, there is a hope for us the Greeks ... This is a new species and genus for whole Europe !!! I quote here the article of Young (2004): http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page ... 0/mode/1up 
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 16/06/2015, 21:02 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
The 2009 paper is this (not available free, can send privately if needed) Young D.K., 2009. Transfer of Pyrochroa daglariensis to Hemidendroides Ferrari (Coleoptera: Pyrochroidae: Pyrochroinae), with a dichotomous key to the four species of the genus. Zootaxa. 2263: 66–68 |
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| Autore: | strepens [ 16/06/2015, 21:11 ] | ||
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? | ||
I quote a photo of another Turkish species of the same genus: Hemidendroides ledereri Ferrari, 1869 I have a specimen of this species, from Afyon periphery (Central Turkey), VI/2000, in deciduous Quercus. This photo comes from another entomologist, but does not remember by whom. Let's forgive my bad memory, the ownership of the photo is of him.
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 16/06/2015, 21:18 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
Nice  I collected two of them in Isparta province, in a large hollow Platanus.
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| Autore: | Baris99 [ 16/06/2015, 21:54 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
WOW! I don't know what I can say.A species originally described from Hatay in 2004 is found in Esenyurt, Istanbul.It is common here on a Salix tree.I saw two males and a female specimen(other two specimens escaped) in two days although I wasn't looking for them.Tomorrow I will collect more specimens.Is it possible that it can be new species because either Kastamonu or Hatay is far away from Istanbul? |
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 16/06/2015, 22:23 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
As you can read in the article linked by George, the species was originally described in 1896 as Dendroides cyanipennis, and just renamed in 2004 due to an homonymy. I don't see any obvious reason supporting the idea of a diffent species based on the distribution. However, these insects are poorly known and nothing should be taken for granted. Since it is a common species there, if you want to send me some specimens (males especially) I will be glad to compare them with those from Hatay, which can be surely taken as a proxy for the type series (= the true H. daglariensis). Cheers, Marco |
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| Autore: | Baris99 [ 17/06/2015, 6:52 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Pyrochroidae? |
I hadn't read the article before I wrote the previous message. First I have to collect some specimen. 
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 17/06/2015, 9:13 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Good luck
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| Autore: | Xylosteus [ 17/06/2015, 9:33 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Hi all, I've collected it up to Ovacik, Tunceli province, where it was really common on Populus. Pierpaolo |
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| Autore: | Glaphyrus [ 17/06/2015, 9:43 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Hi Pierpaolo, actually the specimens I have from Hatay (Dortyol) were collected by you, I suppose on traps (some lepidoptera scales on them). |
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| Autore: | Baris99 [ 19/06/2015, 10:39 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Xylosteus ha scritto: Hi all, I've collected it up to Ovacik, Tunceli province, where it was really common on Populus. Pierpaolo I realized now that this specimen I found was living on Populus because there is a Populus near the the Salix tree. |
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| Autore: | Xylosteus [ 19/06/2015, 17:44 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Hi Baris, in Tunceli it was on Populus for sure. It was very common in wine traps. But in Hatay, up to Dortyol, there was not Populus only Quercus and Fagus. In Hatay I collected it in traps as well. Pierpaolo |
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| Autore: | Marco A. Bologna [ 15/05/2024, 18:39 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | Re: Hemidendroides daglariensis (Young, 2004) - Pyrochroidae |
Dear All, I am preparing a short note on Hemidendroides daglarensis of which I have specimens from Amanus (= Nur Daglari), Kastamanou and Gumushane. Probably, it is well distributed in the Turkish mountain areas. If you have additional reords .... Very interestingly, I found it in Cyprus last week: it is new for EU. Marco |
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