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Chrysura refulgens (Spinola, 1806) - Chrysididae - Grecia, Tracia
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Autore:  cosmln [ 20/11/2010, 9:35 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Chrysura refulgens (Spinola, 1806) - Chrysididae - Grecia, Tracia

:hi:

uno sconosciuto chrysidid - raccolto nel nord-est della Grecia (Tracia) (41.577925/26.210276) nel 18.maggio.2010, dimensione ~ 13-14 mm
è possibile sapere di più?

undet_chrysididae_s.jpg


Autore:  gomphus [ 20/11/2010, 16:34 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: ? - Chrysididae - Greece

hi cosmin

it's a Chrysura, almost certainly Chrysura pyrogaster (Brullé, 1832)
for confirmation, please could you make a picture of abdomen from underside?

p.s. note that especially for determination of Chrysura spp., sight of abdomen sternites is almost always necessary ;)

Autore:  cosmln [ 20/11/2010, 16:39 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: ? - Chrysididae - Greece

gomphus ha scritto:
hi cosmin

it's a Chrysura, almost certainly Chrysura pyrogaster (Brullé, 1832)
for confirmation, please could you make a picture of abdomen from underside?

p.s. note that especially for determination of Chrysura spp., sight of abdomen sternites is almost always necessary ;)


:hi: Maurizio,

grazie.

is a hole in the glue board... so no problem :)
will do that later.

Autore:  gomphus [ 20/11/2010, 17:13 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura pyrogaster (Brullé, 1832) ? - Chrysididae - Greece

hi cosmin

waiting for the picture, you can look at directly and confirm that on 2nd sternite there are no paired black spots, as usual in Chrysidini (Chrysis, Chrysura, Spinolia...), this would confirm C. pyrogaster

in this species, as well as in the closely related C. simplex, the two spots do indeed exist, yet they are almost of the same color of the remaining sternite, instead of black, therefore only hardly visible under certain lightning conditions

Autore:  cosmln [ 20/11/2010, 17:41 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura pyrogaster (Brullé, 1832) ? - Chrysididae - Greece

here it is, from what I see the black spots are there and well visible :(

Chrysura_u.JPG


Autore:  gomphus [ 20/11/2010, 17:56 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura pyrogaster (Brullé, 1832) ? - Chrysididae - Greece

cosmln ha scritto:
here it is, from what I see the black spots are there and well visible :( ...

:ok: , certainly not pyrogaster

possibly a much more common species :cry: ... another picture, please, thorax in lateral view, to see above all the shape of metanotum

Autore:  cosmln [ 20/11/2010, 18:18 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura sp. - Chrysididae - Greece

here are...

Chrysura_l_s.jpg


Chrysura_ld_s.jpg


Autore:  gomphus [ 20/11/2010, 19:14 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura sp. - Chrysididae - Greece

:ok:

Chrysura refulgens (Spinola, 1806)

( :sick: :( :cry: )

Autore:  cosmln [ 20/11/2010, 19:19 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:  Re: Chrysura refulgens (Spinola, 1806) - Chrysididae - Grecia, Tracia

grazie Maurizio, even if it is a common species is a new for my very small collection of Chrysididae :)

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